You know what? I'm putting it all on the table here. IMMEDIATELY when a story like this breaks, the lefties scream "THAT's SO HORRIBLE...WE DO NOT CONDONE ANY KIND OF VIOLENCE...we are a peaceful, nature-loving, anti-violent group and NOBODY would ever treat anyone else in such a vulgar and vile fashion."

I say total effing BULLSHIT to all that. I am reading more and more stories like this where the supposed Party of Peace and NonViolence end up acting like a bunch of deranged, rabid dogs (their almost-President) when someone dares to disagree with them. I firmly believe that anybody who purports to be of the Party of Peace and denounces stories like this are full of shit and would be the first ones in line to perform the same acts. Otherwise, if everybody is denouncing these acts, who the fuck is performing them??? Bring it on. And don't come at me about how I'm "angry". Apparently my anger is nothing compared to the juvenile tactics of the PofP.

The left's never been any more "anti-violence" than the right. Why they have that reputation I don't know. Just look back at the Symbianese Liberation Army, the Black Panthers, Ted Kaczynski (aka "The Unabomber"), the Weather Underground, and the actions of several different Communist groups over the last century, including left-wing guerillas in places like Peru today. Not to mention the Khmer Rouge.

What I find most instructive, however, is the silence at these things. A couple of months ago when some pro-Kerry thugs roughed up some peaceful Bush activists in Boston, left-wingers whose politics I once respected just laughed and called the victims "pussies."

These were the same folks, mind you, who said that there was a "riot" in the Miami-Dade courthouse during the 2000 election recounts. They went berzerk at the "violence" of that supposed "riot" in which not one person was injured, no property was damaged, no one was arrested, and the "rioting" consisted primarily of laughing, clapping hands, chanting and singing, and knocking on doors.

I guess we're seeing the mask come off of some folks. Perhaps that's for the best?

Yes, one story is proof of all. My 9th grade history teacher said the McGovernites were the same people that threw feces at the Chicago police.

Dad gummit! If a simple "Go f yourself" is good enough for Dick "Dick" Cheney, it ought to be good enough for MoveOn. I'm writing them an email right now . . .

Vicki, Rose - you idiots kill me.

I guess all "niggers" comitt crimes. All "kykes" are money grubbing. All "spics" are stupid.

Yea, all of us "lefties" are just violent assholes. Perhaps most of us are though because apparently, talking to fuckhead neo and ultra cons doesn't seem to work, so parhaps thumping skulls may be the only way through. Apparently, neocons think that is the only way.

And dean, are you retarded? Just because "geoffrey allen" says there was "violence" at those protests in boston, doesn't make it fact. Perhaps nobody reported on it because a) it didnt happen and b) two or three people getting into it with folks like "geoffrey" whose only intention to go to the thing was to cause trouble with the protesters, isn't really news worthy. Come on Dean, you and I both know that "goefforey" and people like him, do not go for a peaceful night out at a protest. He himself admits that he and his supposed "frat brothers" used to go looking for fights. Once a pig hot-headed prick, always a pig hot-headed prick.

Damn mosquito.

Just won't stop buzzing around.

SPLAT.

Nunya,

You ignorant slut.

Dean knows there was violence in Boston because the guy who was attacked told us so. Geoff was there but he wasn't the victim. The incident also made the paper you fucking retard.

Also, please refrain from using racist terms on my site and for Christ's sake spell correctly. I'm tired of having my 6 year old interpret your ramblings. If you need a spelling tutor my son is available but once he starts 2nd grade his rates will go up.

What, you never heard of a liberal-hawk? Michael Ignatieff apologized for being one in The New York Times magazine. (Appreciative nod to Kevin Drum).

There will always be jerks, on both sides of the isle. And sometimes well meaning people have jerkish days. It's when the jerks are in power that the real problems occur.

Being a victim who cries "foul" does not make one as big a pussy as failing to take up the challenge of directly confronting your opponents, instead of belittling them, labling them, and equating their beliefs with every action of their supporters -- knowing that such actions will be condemned by the official leadership (unless it is a member of the leadership itself who engages in the gutter sniping).

Simply put, it is as cowardly to indict all liberals for the thoughtless actions of a few as it is to want to eliminate all muslims because of 9/11. Or all Beatle fans because of Charlie Manson, you get the idea. Cowards take the easy way out and it is hard, it actually takes some thought and hard work, to legitimately make the case of an idea, which is all we really argue about anyway.

You guys would do a lot better in furthering conservative causes if you learned to fully understand the liberal mindset, instead of simple knee-jerk reactions against it. Your counter-spin would be much more palatable.

You know better Rose. This post was meant to incite and any flames you get should have been expected. If you wanted to argue with me all you had to do was ask, or say something unfair about Michael Moore....Oh, OK, you did miss me. Catch you at the next post. ;-)

HAIL TO THE QUEEN....!!!!

Back in 1976, I read a writer in a spectrumological symposium in "Commentary" who observed that the "hate content" of the "Late Left" was increasing. I've been thinking about that more and more (or should I say, Moore and Moore) these days. If it was true in 1976, it is even more true now.

There was a time when the head of the Communist Party called Communism "20th Century Americanism". That time is long past. Now, radical Leftists openly proclaim their hatred for "AmeriKKKa". The Left is becoming more and ever more nihilistic and ever more vitriolic in their hatred for America, and for Western culture in general.

I think this is largely because America has been on the rise as a world power ever since World War II . Conversely, the Left has been on the decline at an accelerating rate, particularly with the fall of Communism in Europe and Russia. All the Left has left is Castro's Cuba and a China which is turning from pure Maoism to a kind of neo-fascist mixed economy.

The collectivist Left, by its inherent nature and also by the historic circumstances of our history, can never hope to take over America. It can only rage impotently against us and try to weaken us from within, using war-weariness and guilt-manipulation (Political Correctness), even as it increasingly weakens itself. We are witnessing its unravelling right now, as in the example Rosemary has shown us.

Therefore, the question is not: will the Left rule America? but only: what kind of Right will rule America?

I wasn't anything about all liberals. I said I thought you lefties were anti-violence?

I guess not all of you are - that's all I was saying.

Incite what? I was fully expecting you to say what assholes those MoveOn people were and you didn't.

I'm not surprised that I'm the one who is attacked, instead of the idiots that bash heads and spit on people.

'Cuz, I'm a Republican - it's to be expected.

Missed you !

"historic circumstances of our history" sounds kind of redundant. Hmmm....

I thought that it should be assumed that anyone resorting to violent or disgusting tactics should be at the least admonished as jerks or prosecuted for victimization of some kind.

But Streeter is a weenie. Emotions are running high, but it certainly could have been worse. They didn't kick him while he was down. No permanant injuries. I think the incident if indicative of the depth of the passions running us right now, not a general indictment of the left or right.

"Well, he wasn't *vicously* beaten, so it's all good." Right Mark Adams? Their actions aren't [necessarily] an indictment of right or left. It is an indictment of those did it. However, the complete lack of condemnation from those on the ... left ... *is* an indictment. They don't have to offer a large criticism of the perpetrators actions, but condemn their behavior a little dammit!

The problem is, this happens all the time on the left. Bad behavior by those on their side is rationalized away instead of condemned. This doesn't happen nearly so much on the right (does happen, not nearly so much).

(Obligatory qualification: At least, that sure is the way it appears to me. I can site examples. Lots of them. I'm sure others who read this site can too. Void where prohibited.)

I guess the fact that Mr. Streeter wasn't actually murdered shows that the Left is still the Party of Peace, Tolerance, and Unconditional Love.

I think some leftists lash out both verbally and physically against any detected dissention out of frustration and fear - fear that they aren't going to win. Sometimes you can feel losing in your bones. Many leftists I know are veritable founts of compassion for the downtrodden but have nothing but hatred and contempt for individuals who espouse a differing political point of view or anyone who actually voted for GWB. Is that irony or what?