Wrong-o. The DoD has released pictures of trucks at al Qa Qaa, but those trucks are not at the bunkers holding HMX.

Next?

Not only that, but KSTP-TV has a tape that's pretty definitive. Check it out.

Jeez, Rose, even David Kay says the explosives were there after we invaded.

Your guys are running out of people to put on their shit list.

As if to highlight the flailing response of the Bush team, you've got Rudy Giuliani shilling for Bush by blaming the troops for what happened at al Qaqaa:

The president was cautious the president was prudent the president did what a commander in chief should do. No matter how you try to blame it on the president the actual responsibility for it really would be for the troops that were there. Did they search carefully enough? Didn't they search carefully enough?

Look, Bush is favored to win the election, so this will probably all go away by the inauguration.

But, today Rose, you should be ashamed for being a Bush apologist.

P.S. As for those "satellite photos," they look just like the crap Colin Powell hauled in front of the UN when he "proved" Iraq had WMD.

Well, if you are gonna believe IAEA explanations then you ought to believe their report that says in Jan 03 there were only 3 tons of explosives there.


Plus, nobody has yet explained how the equivalent of 40 truck loads of explosives just managed to slip by both the 3rd ID and 101st Air Assault divisions.

If the 380 tons was there after we invaded. The fact that its gone IS the fault of the troops. However, our troops are the most highly skilled in the world and they would NOT have let that happen.

What Rudy was saying that if its proven that the HMX was there, the fault of its disappearance shouldn't be blamed on the President.

I believe, as do all rational people, that the stuff was gone BEFORE we invaded. I'm not so willing to call our troops or President incompetant. So the only logical explaination is that the weapons were already gone.

If the situation were reversed, I'm sure the libs would be on here defending Kerry in the same rational way we are defending Bush.

The October surprise failed miserably, now the media is trying to spin it into something more than it is. I can't wait for this election to be over. So we can move on to Kerry's legal battle to steal the Whitehouse, or Bush's impeachment proceedings...

In the middle of a raging war zone, verifiable and absolutely unimpeachable information is hard to come by---the first casualty of war and all that. You read what you can, weigh the credibility of the source, and try to make the best, most informed decision you can.

The only other alternative is to go there yourself---and any readers of this blog who are between the ages of 18 and 24 and are reasonably healthy will probably get an all expenses paid trip to Iran in early 2005.

President Rove and his blind, zombie-like faux intellectual spear carriers (Hi, John Irving!) have successfully muddied the waters on this specific incident to allow the faithful true believers to go on---not that it's hard to pull the wool of those people's eyes.

But no reasonable person can deny that the Bush regime started this war based on lies, and have proven to be total incompetents ever since.

Don,

Rumsfeld was one of the Congressmen who pioneered the idea of an all volunteer military back in the 60's. At the time, Ted Kennedy wanted to broaden the draft instead.

Now Kerry wants, not a draft, but two years of complusory service which you can fulfill via the military. Bush wants to continue with an all-volunteer military and no complusory service.

One can pander to people's fears with asinine conspiracy theories, or one can look at the candidates respective positions, which appear, in this case, to have been consistent over time. If one does, it's Kerry who wants to force people to serve, not Bush.

Yours,
Wince

AHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

They found out what happened to the 300 tons of weapons!!! The US Military DESTROYED it!!!

A press conference with the Major who overseen the destruction, just confirmed it!!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!

Nunya, Ara & Don crawl back in your caves and we'll see you in 4 years when the Dems put up a real candidate!!

Jerry:

How many times does the Pentagon have to lie right into the camera before you stop taking their word as gospel?

Wince:

I'm predicting a draft irregardless of who wins on Tuesday. Kerry is just being honest about it, while Bush is not.

So essentially, the story Kerry hung his last hopes on is unraveling, not to the detriment of President Bush, and the Left is trying hard to spin it into unrecognizability. Got it, pretty much par for the course.
The more they shriek, the better it looks for Bush, Cheney, and the United States come Tuesday.

This is what happens when irresponsible journalists try to break a story WITHOUT all the facts. The first story broke and it was refuted. Then the photos came up and that was refuted. Then video shows up and that was refuted. Why couldn't the media get their shit together and break a story that was fully researched with video & photo evidence. NO ONE knows what happened to the weapons. This Major who spoke today said he was under orders to destroy weapons and stockpiles that could be used against our troops. He wasn't told to specifically look for seals or markings. Just to destroy the stuff.

Thats what he did. So the FACTS that we have are, 300 tons of stuff went missing and a heck of alot more than that was DESTROYED by our military.

Thats all we know. That didn't stop Kerry a few days ago from ripping the President and the military for allowing the stuff to be lost. He had NO idea that the bulk of munitions was destroyed by our military. Take a look at the Kerry site today, or listen to some of his taped stump speeches from today. He won't mention Al-Qaqaa because he knows he was WRONG! I find it hilarious that you libs continue to try to bash our military and expect them to die for Kerry (if elected) after all the shit he has thrown.

nunya,

Actually, Bush said let's see. Kerry ran with it. You and I and everyone else here speculated like mad. The most resposible person was Bush, who said, "I don't know." The next most responsible folks speculated but said it was speculation. Kerry was one of the least responsible in his treatment of the issue.

Yours,
Wince

Nunya

I just have to say...you are losing perspective. My screen is flecked with foam. Get a grip.

Now the major has come forward with his recollection. Much of 400,000 to 500,000 tons of weaponry and explosives has been destroyed. When that is considered, this entire bru-ha-ha seems just a little over the top. That's why, fellas, the polls aren't moving. This is not an October surprise for the Kerry campaign. It's the October ho-hum.

Don,

Every military person I know is more honorable and trustworthy than either Kerry or Bush or Rather, for that matter.

Your mileage may vary.

Yours,
Wince

Nunya,

Are you now saying that our troops are liars?

Wince and Nod wrote:
"Rumsfeld was one of the Congressmen who pioneered the idea of an all volunteer military back in the 60's. At the time, Ted Kennedy wanted to broaden the draft instead.

Now Kerry wants, not a draft, but two years of complusory service which you can fulfill via the military. Bush wants to continue with an all-volunteer military and no complusory service."

That's another reason I'm glad I voted for Bush and against Kerry. I'm against slavery.

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
-Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

"The right to privacy reflects the moral fact that the individual belongs to himself and not to others or to society as a whole."
-Justice Harry Blackmun, dissent in Bowers vs. Hardwick (1986)

Here's one for shep, nunya, or one of the other Kerry kool-aid contingent to spin away:

June 25th
“They’re available to you to come and look at. People can come and see them at headquarters and take a look at them,” Kerry told the host.

Russert had asked Kerry if he would release his complete file. Kerry shot back to Russert’s request, “They are” – indicating the records were already released.

Oct 28th
Brokaw: Someone has analyzed the President's military aptitude tests and yours, and concluded that he has a higher IQ than you do.

Kerry: That's great. More power. I don't know how they've done it, because my record is not public. So I don't know where you're getting that from.

Oct 28th
June 25th

This ain't an error from the CIA, or a misinterpretation, this is Kerry clearly saying something he knows not to be true and later accidentally admitting it. Spin away!

John:

Like all fools, you try to change the subject after you're clearly cornered. You'll forgive me if I fail to take the bait. I've got to finish preparing the buffet for my Kerry Victory party.

You'll be eating alone and unhappy, Don. . . I notice you have no answer to proven lies by your candidate.
As for fool, pardon me if I dont accept the judgement of someone who has not only proven to be a self-contradictory tool for the left, but an asshole besides.

As for the explosives, hell thats a finished issue. . we destroyed what we found, IAEA can't account for the amount they sealed. Kerry and his supporters look like complete schmucks for buying into the story, and are already backpedalling.

Squeal like a pig, Don!

I hate to say this, but this really is a non-issue for Bush and Co. I mean, this administration has messed up so much, so quickly, and so horrendously, that Mr. Bean would probably have done a better job in the oval office. We are failing and will continue to fail because we refuse to remember the historic lessons of imperialism that Arabs taught europe in the 20th century. Iraqis will not tolerate an occupying western military. Yes, I know we are not trying to conquer Iraq and use it for our oil needs, but if that is even the perception of the majority of the people in the region, it will take hold, and we will have realitively no chance to broker any short term peace plan. The only outcome that is certain is that more U.S. and coalition Soldiers will die - not to mention innocent Iraqi citizens. The real person to blame for this mess is Sadaam Huessin, so it is a good thing that he's gone, but was the cost of U.S. lives worth it? But then again, oil is big business, and if you don't think it was about the oil, you're definately wearing blinders.

Well, I do have a purty mouth...

No wait.

According to this article
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933/

"Defense Department spokesman Larry Di Rita could not definitely say whether they were part of the missing 377 tons."

tim is correct all this story really could do is add extra icing to the already well baked and made cake of fuck ups that BushCo has created.

Oh dammit. . I get all pissed off at Don and he has to go and say something like that. . . damn dude. . good on ya.

Until next time then.

nunya,

How do you think this war compares to WWI in terms of mistakes? WWII? Would you consider that some of the mistakes are trade offs? That to avoid larger problems in a difficult situation, we accepted smaller problems instead?

Do you really think the perfect plan you demand could have been produced by anyone short of Jesus?

Yours,
Wince

My plausible scenarios, based on worst case analysis from the lefties here today.

Scenario 1. We fail to control access to the complex after our troops are on the scene.

47,532 "insurgents" run into the bunkers, break the sacred seals, stuff two handfuls of RDX powder into their pockets, and run away into the night screaming "ba-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-lah"!

Scenario 2. At the 1st of 27 checkpoints on the road to Syria, a squad of soldiers stops the first semi and a troop asks:

Troop: "hey, Ahkmed, what's in the trailer"?

Ahkmed: "baby formula".

Troop: "what about the other 44 trucks behind you"?

Ahkmed: "same thing. lots of hungry babies".

Troop, waving him on, "Sweet! Keep on truckin, baby"!

WW2

Japan attacked us and we responded by attacking the Germans in North Africa.

Read a fucking history book already...

texASS
go on back to fucking your steer
loud mouth assholes
save it for your klan meeting, bigot.
this is the adult table

Nunya...the Queen should be sharing ad revenue with you. Your flavor of sewage seems to be good for ratings. I think it's the only reason you are still here. Idiot.

Oh yeah, I've got $500 bucks on Dave.

Yeah, Northern Africa was no threat to the US but we developed a *strategy* to attack the enemy of our enemy in a place where their defenses were softer and we could get at 'em. We had no navy left so we had to ignore Japan and go after Germany where they were vulnerable. At the same time we went into a military build-up stage and built ships and airplanes like crazy. We had a lot of catching up to do. If we had todays MSM reporting on WWII, we'd have nunya's and shep's grandpas screaming about US incompetence and lack of foresight no doubt.

Hey Jane,

You think we're wowing them with our book learnin' ?

:-)

Tax-Ass? The Supreme Court abolished the ass-tax on June 26, 2003.

when someone else declares war on you, it may be a good idea to fight back

Thank you, nunya, game set and match. You have just endorsed the War in Iraq.

Dumbfuck,

Did Germany attack us?

nunya, Saddam repeatedly declared war on the US. He stated in almost every public speech his intent to attack the US. He made support for the 9/11 attackers his own policy in his speech following the attacks. He repeatedly defied the cease fire, acts of war in and of themselves. So again you prove yourself to be utterly ignorant of the facts, and instead resort to parroting talking points.
Arguing with you, nunya, is like arguing with a preschooler who is obsessed with his own feces, and alternates between eating it and flinging it.
Rosemary, we've seen that shep, Don, and the majority of the "respected opposition" often raise good points, they provide a challenge. nunya is a troll, through and through, a little punk who masturbates to thoughts of irritating his superiors. "Dumbfuck" would be a promotion for him.

no rsoe, germany did not initially attack, but they did issue a formal declaration of war on us.

Then I did have my facts straight, thanks for noticing.

Was Germany in a position to back up that declaration of War? Japan certainly was but was Germany?

We didn't HAVE to go after Germany but we did even though they NEVER attacked us first. Your reasoning is very inconsistent, Nunya.

Why aren't we going after the nations that are a threat to us?

'Cuz, we don't want you to start crying... Oh, wait. Too late.

Seriously.

We are. But we aren't going to spread ourselves too thin.

I'm getting a headache. ;)

oh dave, the simple minds of the great plains of texASS. go on back to fucking your steer or whatever it is you loud mouth assholes do down there. also, if you want to talk like you just did, save it for your klan meeting, bigot.
this is the adult table, let us talk in peace.

Yes, clearly a lot of adult talk there nunya. I feel so unappreciated.

Your discourse is as intellectually dishonest as it is morally bankrupt. Any screed is a good screed if it obscures the defenseless position. When that doesn't work, say "fuck" a lot.

Impressive. Really. My favorite part is where you talk about facts.

Rosemary

Heck a lot of what I get about history is off of the History Channel but I have read lots of history and WWII is my favorite 20th century event/era. Even if nunya can't read, at least he could watch TV. Anyway, I've tried to give him the benefit of the doubt but his potty mouth is the worst I've seen. He is definitely not very bright and I'm not wasting time on him anymore. I mean this in a nice way, BUT NUNYA IS AN IDIOT. It's really hard to discuss anything with some one who is screaming all the time. Sheez. He's stupid AND boring.

Time to go.

Well, I am punishing Nunya. Temporarily banned him and deleted his bullshit.

HAIL TO THE QUEEN!!

You are indeed a long-suffering but sensible woman. thank you, thank you, thank you! 8-)

Aww, shucks...

oh fine. now who's going to say "fuck" and insult me because I disagree with him?!

Who's going to say "fuck" and insult me because I agree with him/her? har! har! Anyway....

HAIL TO THE QUEEN OF ALL EVIL!!!! HAIL TO THE QUEEN OF ALL GOOD!!!! HAIL TO THE QUEEN OF ALL!!!! AND HAIL TO THE KING!!!!

Jane M. wrote:
"If we had todays MSM reporting on WWII, we'd have nunya's and shep's grandpas screaming about US incompetence and lack of foresight no doubt."

Indeed. Here is Jeff Soyer's take on how today's media and soi-disant intellectuals would portray World War II.

Jeff Soyer's Alphecca. Gay gun nut in Vermont, defender of freedom. Read him and put him on your blogroll.

A huge thank you to Rosemary, I wasn't going to request nunya be banned, but I was getting really tired of his juvenile behavior.

I hate doing it. But he was just bringing the level down and chasing away longtime readers.

With Nunya gone, does this mean Wince and Nod will stop replying with his fun allusions to Tailgunner Joe? I hope not. I like Tailgunner Joe. He's my hero. I'm evil.

HAIL TO THE QUEEN OF ALL EVIL!!!!

Happy Halloween.

Hmmm. I often compare the vague accusations (naming no names, providing no evidence) in Kerry's 1971 testimony to Tailgunner Joe's vague accusations (naming no names, providing no evidence). Is that good enough?

Yours,
Wince

Here are a few names that Senator McCarthy named:

Theodore Geiger -- "There are witnesses who will testify that he was a member of the same Communist Party unit as they were."

Haldore Hanson -- "a man who worked on the Communist edition of a magazine, who praised the Communists, who was co-editor of a Communist paper in China,; who was named by a government witness under oath as a member of the Communist Party."

John Paton Davies -- "accused by General Hurley of operating behind his back to support the Communists in China."

John Stewart Service -- "Service was named by our Ambassador to China as one of the men who was serving the cause of Communism in China. He [the Ambassador] asked the President to remove Service. He said that this man's actions are not good for the United States, they are good for Russia... Among other things, the FBI produced microphone recordings from a hotel room which showed that Service had turned over to a known Communist, not only State Department documents, but also secret military information."

Owen Lattimore -- "EX-Communist Louis Budenz testified he attended Communist Politburo meetings of the Communist Party and that at one of those meetings a Party line was transmitted from Moscow to the Politburo from Owen Lattimore via Frederick Vanderbilt Field.
"Budenz testified unequivocally that his official information was that Lattimore was a member of the Party and that one of the tasks assigned to Lattimore was to recruit Communists and fellow-traveler writers to sell to the American people and to the State Department the Communist Party line on China
"Budenz further testified that Lattimore was a member of a Red cell in the Institute of Pacific Relations -- the job of which was to sell the Communist line on China.
"Budenz testified that top secret information which went out to Communist leaders throughout the country were seen by him and they bore Lattimore's Party identification symbol XL."

Is that good enough?

Speaking of Tailgunner Joe and a question which he once asked, one of the burning questions of the modern age, a question which America has been asking ever since with bated breath, a recent "National Review" (September 27, 2004 [dead-tree edition]) finally has an answer to that question:

One Herman Geller has recently confessed that he promoted Peress.

Joe was right. Commie spies were working all over this country. Proven right after the break up of the USSR.

But he became intoxicated with his power.

Tailgunner Joe was right. There were Communist spies. But they weren't widespread and they weren't given access as a matter of Administration policy.

Kerry was right and wrong. There were war crimes. But they weren't widespread and they weren't committed as a matter of Administration policy.

Yours,
Wince

I hear tell that Tailgunner Joe was also intoxicated with booze, that he was "a Clausewitz at the poker table", and that "anything in a skirt was catnip to him". What a man! As to that last item, two of his aides, Roy Cohn and David Schine, were of a different persuasion, they were men's men.

HA!

Men's men. Gotta love that double-entendre!

SMA, you have a fine sense of humor my friend.

Dave in Texas:

Thank you!

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