I've not posted an opinion on the UAE port security thing because I've decided to wait until more information was available.
All around the blogworld people are going crazy about it. Over at Dean's World opinions are split. His co-bloggers and commenters are all over the map on this one. My friend Michael thinks that those on both sides that oppose the plan are racists and support racial profiling. Kos thinks that this is nothing more than more Bush cronysim. I find it cute that he's making that argument because the other argument would make him sound like a hateful bigot. The least offensive/racist way to oppose it is the way most of liberal friends are doing it. If it's Bush's idea then it must be bad even if they aren't sure why. I find that one hardest to prove since all reports say that Bush wasn't even informed about the deal until mid-February like the rest of us. But like the sweet innocence of children waiting for Peter Cottontail to hide the Easter eggs, facts are overrated if they fuck up perception.
I'm still not ready to tell you what I think. I've been channelling my inner Ann Coulter and that isn't helping since I don't think of Arabs as ragheads that need to meet the 21st century Torquemada.( Just in case you don't know the real Torquemada)
Nope, this time I've silenced my inner Ann and I've been channelling my inner Geraldo Rivera but now all I can think about is all those missing white chicks. So, I'm at a loss.
What do you think about the Dubai Port World takeover and why? Rational reasons would be most appreciated.





Varifrank had good reasons on his blog as to why shutting down this deal can be a very bad idea, given the immense amount of military maintenance and supply assistance we get from them.
That is correct, and not by Arabs either, but by American union long shoremen.
I do know one thing, if this blows up, no pun intended, it will be the final nail in the Bush presidency (even if it wasn't his plan) and solidify his place as worst president since Zachary Taylor.
Most US ports and shipping companies are owned by big-ass conglomerates NOT in the US. I don't see the big hub-bub about Arabs owning the companies myself...
Port SECURITY (what everyone is whining about...left, right, center and outfield) has NEVER been under the control of the company that owns the ports. The US Coast Guard and Homeland Security take care of portal security. Some bigass company from Dubai buyin' the port don't make it Jihad Central.
As I know what's been said all around the watchtower (sorry, channeling my own well-known for a moment) by the military, this deal has been blasted apart by the Pentagon and found to be sound enough not to requre the DOD to oppose it. That is NOT the same thing as endorcing it, the DOD just doesn't consider Dubai World as big a threat as sleeper terror cells.
I'm okay with it. That don't mean I LIKE it, or that I'm happy about it, but I don't see a reason outside of security (and it's taken out of the hands of the Arabs anyway) to openly oppose it (well, on the grounds of protectionism - US owns US ports but that isn't a historical reality, why try to claim it is, check the FACTS folks...it works). I guess my verdict is "I'll tolerate it".
Only one Governor affected didn't lose it, Jeb Bush, who has substantial finances tied up in Dubai.
And most of us (admit it) had no idea Americans weren't doing this work.
And most of us (admit it) think Americans should be doing this work.
White-Americans, Black-Americans, Arab-Americans, Vietnamese-Americans -- but Americans nonetheless.
Oh, and check your facts on what it took to keep the longshoreman working the West Coast docks in business, and the crap they took from the very folks who love this deal.
It's not like Dubai Ports World is a normal company that is at least answerable to stockholders, theoretically people like you and me who could buy their stock.
Yep, The UAE is one of our "partners." They're partners with anyone with serious money. And I mean serious money. Dubai has the only seven-star hotel in the world. Awesome. And everything is owned in one way or another by the Royal Family.
You can't trust scemes where power and money is concentrated in too few hands. This is one of those scemes.
But, as is usual, it was the way it was handled by the White House that made this blow up. Like everything they to, it became the latest reason to dig in and launch salvos. Congress and the press aren't even allowed to question or investigate, let alone criticize this without a Veto threat?
Good grief. We would have scoffed, but not dug in as hard -- polarizing us once again -- had POTUS said, "This is the 1st I've heard of this, let's take a closer look." But no, the gang that can't shoot straight will clings to it's veneer of infallability and instead of governing they're still doing the only thing they know, they campaign.
Like Jon Stewart points out, they got 51% of the vote but have 97% of the power, but can't for the life of them figure out how to use it wisely.
As for this:
Mark- it really doesn't matter if the POTUS had come out and said that, the left would still be bitching as they are now. Nothing will change that. As for Stewarts comments..he is a comedian with an opinion. He is still trying to figure out where his party went. As hard as he is on the Right, he doesn't hold back his contempt for his own party, or lack thereof!
wisely.
It seems with all the concern over outsourcing certain jobs in our economy, that this would be one job that we'd want to keep in-house. In my mind, national security is one area where we can't afford to skimp through outsourcing. Hey, if it means we pay more for some American Union dock workers, so be it.
I thought our last president did do something like this with the Panama Canal and ... the Chinese.
Tom Tancredo for President.
Got news for ya. Our "bitching" has always been serious. You folks don't have a monopoly on security concerns any more than you do on patriotism or voicing what you feel is best for this country. Most of us simply came to the conclusion that this bunch in charge are bad for all of us (not just bad for our side) a long time ago.
They have always catered to globalization, and almost imperial corporate interests (furthering expansion of what Krauthammer calls our "Commercial Republic") before they do anything for the general population -- having faith that as long as the guys at the top are doing ok, the benefits will trickle down to the rest of us. With this POTUS, it's almost a religion, and things like Katrina expose the method as extremism that must be balanced.
This thing is just the latest example of which the Iraq war and our trade relations with China, outsourcing, funding nuclear weaponry at full Cold-War levels, abbrogation of treaty after treaty, energy policy, environmental policy, tax policy, everything they do, are all connected to this "theory" which is a lot more suspect than Darwinism.
Don't feel dirty soaking in the muck with us. Really, the water's fine and will clean your soul.
That isn't what I said at all Mark. I said
The problem is that only one side offers any solutions. Good, bad or indifferent, at least the right is trying to do something. What is it that the left has brought to the table? And how quickly you forget the bedfellows of the previous administration!
For the record, we offered suggestions, they were ignored. It's actual news when someone from the GOP reluctantly acknowledges there's a problem with anything -- and then it's only after the fact, usually after someone, often many someones, dies. And then all we get are excuses and whitewashes.
If you folks weren't so smuggly aggravating we wouldn't bother.
If you're really interested, instead of trying (and failing) to be cute, take a look at the actual FIVE point plan, or the fine comparison at the Hotline of the stark differences in how Dean was received versus Ken Mehlman at their respective addresses to the Jewish Council of Publics Affairs from which your link was lifted.
Kenny took 3 questions and the crowd only applauded when he bashed Iran.
Howard hammered the administration without even bringing up Iraq (much) and had the crowd cooing in comparison. Unlike Mehlman, Dean talked domestic politics as well as foreign affairs and took "about a dozen question."
I loved the last question. It seemed like a fully vetted, loyalist only, fixed Bush/Cheney rally instead of a policy address to an open forum. Except this time all the love went Howard's way.
Just like some sychophant at a choreographed Presidential Town Hall who "asks" POTUS, "We just love you!" Someone in the audience "asked," Dean, "You were incredibly adept at organizing grassroots" in '04, "what is our plan for this cycle?"
And for those of you too lazy to click the link . . . and in answer to Pam's suggestion that Clinton is to blame. [GOP talking point #2, right between "Deny and Reframe" and "Blame the Media."] Here's what Howard Dean actually said:
The Plan?
And a pony! I'm sure he said somewhere along the line that he would get me a pony!
ethics legislation within the first 100 days - you mean they will change the legislation that is already on the floor now?
strong national defense which begins with telling the truth to our citizens and our soldiers and our allies - You mean keep our military at home because according to the left we just can't win anything? Our allies? You mean France?
American jobs that will stay in America by creating a new energy independence industry- Stay in Amaerica? Is THK going to bring her global business back home? Are you planning to cut off companies that do business overseas? I have been seeing the jobs being created already, so what is it that a Democrat is going to create? They are already being created. Are you going to force unions upon businesses? Could unions be part of the problem? In Michigan, the majority of the businesses that are closing or moving are union shops. Non union shops are booming..how can that be?
a health care system which works for everyone - You mean government subsidized? It won't happen. Healthcare is a benefit and not a right.
a strong public education system- Are you going to cut ties with the teachers union? Are you going to hold parents responsible for the actions of their children?
Your 5 points are nothing new..and that is the point. No new ideas nor any ideas on how to correct problems...
Adam, your analogy is incorrect. Asking the Democrats for a plan is like asking the interior decorator to design the frame of your new house. It'll be pretty in concept, but not likely to be good enough at load bearing.
Whereas asking the Republicans for their plan is like getting the carpenter to plan your decorations.
No sweety, it's just that at my age, "intercourse" with you is a more rewarding evening activity than other forms of mastubation, mental or otherwise, that are more prevalently enjoyed on the web. You are my blue pill, darling.
My point, "why should we bother", was aptly made by you and your cohorts. You don't listen, you don't care, you would rather "win" than fix problems. You set up strawmen and reinterpret suggestions to your liking.
The only reason we hear from the right about a lack of a plan on the left is because you guys are tired of being shot down all the time for the abject failures of your execution of policy, and want your turn to go on a rhetorical quail hunt.
Understandable, but hardly productive.
Speaking of unproductive, I'm kinda horny for you again, so here goes:
- Public financing of national campaigns.
- Five years of separation between government service and working for private firms which either are, or hire lobbyists.
- No donation roll-overs from campaign to campaign (like Hillary funding her '08 presidential bid with donations she's getting now for the '06 Senate.) Use it or lose it.
No law will stop someone determined to break the law, but certainly there should be no debate (and there is) when someone like Duke Cunningham is convicted, his congressional pension should be forfeit.There is no silver bullet, but working towards progress is a lot more defensible than doing nothing. And who said anything about unions? But since you brought it up, should they be eliminated? Pretty extreme don't you think? Should every worker have no choice but to be a union member? Pretty extreme don't you think? Not everything is a choice between extremes, but to frame issues in that way has been very effective in dividing this country and winning elections for the Republicans -- and I'd rather be united. The guy who said he's a "uniter, not a divider," lied about that just as he lied about so many things.
The vast majority of this nation wants to win the lottery too, so you can't have everything. But you can damn well make sure the lottery is fair and if it's broken, you fix it. The administration won't even acknowledge there is a problem let alone be responsive to the nation's desires.
That health care "right versus privilege" argument is a canard too. Is Security a "right?" Is a huge military? A missile shield? Do you have a "right" to honesty in government? How about a "right" to play the lottery, or to have the potholes on your street fixed? Do you have a right to working seat belts, non-defective brakes? But if we want something, and are willing to pay for it, it sure seems like we can get it in this country -- as long as it's in the interest of people with wealth and power -- or we are willing to fight those interests with everything we can.
Anyway, thanks Pam. It's not that you rub me the wrong way. Sometimes you rub me just right.
AAaaaaahhhhhhhhh . . . . . . . . Gotta smoke, baby?
What is the plan here Mark? There isn't anything stopping this from happening.
No I don't think the majority of the people want universal health care. I think the majority of Americans want to be in charge of the choices they make with regards to their health. What is your definition of "fairness"? Is it my problem that generations of families chose to try to get by on the governments dime? No it isn't. And after 35 years of watching this country try to fix the problem by throwing money at it, I say it is time to stop. Maybe we should add new drug companies to the mix to lesson the cost of the drugs? It would not be a bad idea..Or allow people to get their scripts from other countries... As it stands, we offer medicaid to low income families. Why is this not being dismantled and rebuilt?
As for the unions...I could careless if they stay or go, but I don't shed a tear when they close their doors. They have no one to blame but themselves and they are part of the problem!
I could be wrong here, but I pay taxes to cover the military and the missle shields, therefore it could be argued that it is a right. I voted to have the lottery in MI, therefore it is my right to buy a lotto ticket and again, my tax dollars and lottery ticket sales go to pay for my roads. The difference is, insurance is not mandated by law, therefore it is up to an individual to get their own health insurance. Most people get it through their work. Others expect the government to pick up the tab.
Didn't ya hear? We can make laws, laws that require, mandate if you will, functional brakes on cars for instance. Some people get cars through work, others rely on government subsidized public transportation. But there are many of us, myself included, small businessmen and the self-employed who keep this economy chugging along, who find the cost of health care exorbitant.
BTW, you're wrong. Every poll I've seen on the issue has people in favor of universal coverage by either a 3 or 4 to one. Choice is a red herring thrown out to confuse and delay the inevitable.
As for being long-winded, sorry to blow smoke up your skirt, but that was the pared down version. I actually erased three paragraphs that tried to make the case on an individual/personal level, but thought I was getting wordy.
It's a general approach to security, military and foreign affairs, called honesty. Something saddly missing the last five years. Honesty and realistically appraising any given situation. Not just trying to sell something, like a war for example. Honesty in intent, goals, COST, and metrics to gage progress.
A general forthright approach to specific engagements. Mandating specific, obtainable movement towards what is in our strategic interests and not open ended engagements. And you enforce that by making officials accountable.
For instance, if three years ago your Secretary of Defense says that the "war might last two weeks or two months, but no way will it last two years" -- and that same SecDef, after the war has been going on for three years, shows no progress towards quelling a mounting insurrection and the security situation has gone to shit, getting worse every week -- you might consider replacing him.
Honesty with those you ask to die for the cause. You and I can agree that Saddam Hussein did not order the 9/11 highjackings. We can further agree that he was not directly involved and that if he did have any links to terrorists before the war (he did, Abu Nidal from the Achille Laura and paying off Palestinians to bomb Israel) or al Quaeda (tenuous at best, and much less than Bush's friends in Dubai), those connections did not lead to 9/11 even indirectly.
Was there a potential that he might reconstitute his WMD's and also a potential that he would give them to terrorists? Sure, just as there is a potential for monkeys to fly out of my ass. (I love tying that.) But note that the intelligence community was equally divided over the potential that he would ever use such weapons that he didn't even have against us, and only then if we attacked him first. The State Department went as far to say that he wouldn't even use them if we attacked him, and the true experts in the field at the Dept. of Energy said there was no way those alluminum tubes were useful in enriching uranium.
Despite all that, they sent Colin Powell out there with his fake vial of anthrax or whatever and Bush told us about nonexistent yellow cake from Niger. If we have a generally honest approach to this stuff, those things won't happen again. We can restore our credibility and with that begin to repair our standing in the world.
Ancient history, I know. Quit obsessing on the last four years and tell me the plan for what to do now, right? We can start by being honest with the men and women we put in harms way. They certainly deserve the truth. They CAN handle the truth. The administraiton might lie to us, national security and all. But they'd never lie to the troops.
How is it then, if they aren't being fed a load of horse shit from their superiors and the daily dose of Limbaugh they get through AFR, that 90% (Niner Zero Per Cent) of our troops think that they are in Iraq in "retaliation for Saddam's role in 9/11?" An even greater percentage, a wopping 93% don't think they are over there because of WMD's, and most, 68% think the mission was to remove Saddam or to stop him from harboring al Quaeda -- 77%.
Um, guys, mission (whatever it is today) has been accomplished. No, you say. We have to bring democracy to the Middle East. Only 24% think so.
We're keeping the boys in their barracks as all hell breaks loose, so as not to aggravate the situation. Seems to me that under that doctrine, the only thing they're good for is target practice. Bring 'em home. We can sit by and watch them kill each other just as easily from here, and it's a lot cheaper.
How's that for a plan. Put up with the garbage of the bloodthirsty and reality challenged, suffer the accusations of cutting and running, bring 'em home and have a parade. Bring 'em home because not one more dime, not one more drop of blood should be spent on this insanity. Regroup, rest, and prepare for a real war with Iran and Syria and bring on the appocalypse the theocrats in Washington have been working on since day one.
We would do that . . . if we were honest.
You could work for a larger firm that could pay for the healthcare, but you chose to work for yourself.
Put the national healthcare on the ballot in 08' and let's end the discussion once and for all.
As for obsessing on the past, I don't find you to be doing that. The past is directly related to the future. I was not told that the war GWOT would be quick. I was told it would be long. As for Iraq, I don't see us losing. Love the monkey line...that is a good one and should be used more often!
According to the IAEA, there is no proof that Iran is a nuclear threat...why would we attack them? And what has Syria done?(sarcasm is heavy but necessary)
You could work for a larger firm that could pay for the healthcare, but you chose to work for yourself.
Put the national healthcare on the ballot in 08' and let's end the discussion once and for all.
As for obsessing on the past, I don't find you to be doing that. The past is directly related to the future. I was not told that the war GWOT would not qick. I was told it would be long. As for Iraq, I don't see us losing. Love the monkey line...that is a good one and should be used more often!
According to the IAEA, there is no proof that Iran is a nuclear threat...why would we attack them? And what has Syria done?(sarcasm is heavy but necessary)
You could work for a larger firm that could pay for the healthcare, but you chose to work for yourself.
Put the national healthcare on the ballot in 08' and let's end the discussion once and for all.
As for obsessing on the past, I don't find you to be doing that. The past is directly related to the future. I was not told that the war GWOT would not qick. I was told it would be long. As for Iraq, I don't see us losing. Love the monkey line...that is a good one and should be used more often!
According to the IAEA, there is no proof that Iran is a nuclear threat...why would we attack them? And what has Syria done?(sarcasm is heavy but necessary)
I learned from a law-school buddy that a friend of ours from school died from a heart attack this week. He was just a couple of years older than me, 47.
My buddy also sent me the results of an ABA poll of young attorneys.
Since I closed down my Cleveland practice, moved to Toledo, and cut back on practice I drink a hell of a lot less -- and I moved here to buy a bar. If I joined a large firm, even a medium sized firm, they'd better have excellent health insurance because I'd need a liver transplant in five years.
I don't see how you can do both jobs though! Do you find that in order to make money at you bar, you need to be there constantly? I have heard that it really is a hands on business to be in!
The law practice is all mine of course, but harder since I lost my number one assistant, Judy, who's at the bar instead of answering my phone, scheduling appointments and billing clients (and is the nicest boss I ever had.) When we were in Cleveland Judy was a stay-at-home mom and I was in court constantly. There's been some role reversal since we moved to her home town.
I'm now the soccer Dad who runs the taxi service. Since we open for breakfast at 5:30am, Judy goes over between 3:30 and 5am, depending on what she has to prepare for the daily lunch special. So I'm the one on call for the night shift if someone doesn't show or there's any problem. I got rid of a lot of riff-raff that used to hang out there at night, but for a while it was pretty crazy. I still do the overnights on the weekends.
Did I mention kids? Three girls all going to different schools. All who need to be run around by dear old dad. Our daughter (13) is a bona fide genius, and is no worries (yet), but we have custody of two nieces too. One is in 1st grade and the oldest one graduates this spring (thank god) and that should free me up to be in court more. (Lucky me.) We got the youngest one at an early enough age that there aren't any emotional scars from the truly screwed up situation we took them from. The oldest one has been a project -- she was basically raising four other kids.
She was on SSI as a "slow lerner." They had placed her in learning disabled classes and hadn't taught her a damn thing. We've been working with her the last three years to catch her up, mainstreamed her, and she's actually going to pass high school without getting any deferrments from the requirements all the other kids have. Plus she should be ready to take the State Boards in Cosmetology this summer. She's no longer considered disabled.
I kinda put my life on hold so this kid could have one. Since they had pidgeon-holed her as unteachable the school figured she'd never be able to do anything but push a broom and didn't bother even trying to teach her anything. For instance, they gave her a math credit for wood shop, an English credit for working in the cafeteria. She really worked hard and has a lot to be proud of.
Both jobs? I kinda wished the last couple of years that none of our customers at the bar knew I was a lawyer. Work is so inconvenient. I haven't even been advertising for clients. If I didn't have a steady stream of customers insisting I take their cases, life would have been a lot less complicated. ;-)
Since my retirement plan consists of me working until I'm 80, I figure I got plenty of time restart a full time law practice, which unlike the lawyers in that survey I really do enjoy. Probably since I limit myself to family law and actually help people instead of just fight other lawyers over someone else's money, I've had a more rewarding experience than most. But the break has been nice too. Besides, it's given me a chance to learn all about blogging.
Mark I may get snippy a good deal of the time(okay most of the time), but the point you made with the oldest is a part of it. Education is a passion of mine. As a parent you are expected to be involved in the education of your children, but you should not be expected to send that kid to school for 8 hours a day, and in you case, just for the hell of it, need to sit down and teach the child what she was supposed to learn in school. Thank God for people like you that don't accept the status quo. You knew she could do more, and together you worked on it.
My problem with this is that she should have been taught this at school and you should have been monitoring her progress. You set the pace, you monitored her and now the school system is graduating her based on your work and not theirs. I am seeing a decline in the education system. Yours is but another example. I think both of us want better education, how we achieve it is where we differ.
We may be on opposite ends of the political scale most of the time, on family/teaching etc, I think we are very much alike.
I've see the best and worst in Ohio Education. We didn't move to Toledo until my son graduated. We lived in Shaker Heights, which simply put has the absolute best public school in the State, period. The Cleveland border was two blocks away and the school system there was so bad the Federal Courts ran it for 30 or so. Most of my son's high school teachers had their PhD.s. The progressive social climate was on the cutting edge, with the school system working hand in hand with the housing department to maintain a near 50/50 black/white racial balance. He was president of the chess club. The kids coming from the Cleveland system had a hard time with checkers.
All parents were automatically full fledged members of the Shaker Hts. PTO. They just needed to show up. And if you didn't show, especially to the quarterly parent-teacher confereces, you were considered an apostate. That city had one industry, housing (expensive, highly taxed housing) and one export -- smart kids. Despite that, we still had to be involved directly with his education.
Then I moved to Toledo and entered my daughter in Toledo Public -- or at least started to. We walked in, spoke briefly to the administrators who had never heard of things like "room parents" and couldn't tell us if the PTO met once a week, month or at all. But the smell of mildew and the crubling plaster is what sent us running to home school her. A web-based charter school called the "Electronic Classroom Of Tomorrow" (ECOT) had just started and was pretty good, a great resource for home schooling, but little kids need other little kids, so that only lasted a year. She's in a brick+mortar charter school now, a college prep science academy. The 1st grader is also in a charter school that is so new the paint hasn't dried.
Hopefully, what the teachers in the charter schools lack in experience they make up in enthusiasm. That's the theory, anyway. Toledo is the capital of charter schools in this State. I object to vouchers on principle. Last I looked, 98% of vouchers go to religious schools. I have a lot less problem with a public/private partnership, in anything, than mixing religion with public financing. This sums up my religious view nicely.
But chartered, for-profit schools aren't the sole answer. I'm very pleased with our convicted crook of a Governor for one thing. He and the GOP entrenched legislature decided to invest all the money they got from the tobacco companies in schools instead of rare coins or some other ponzie sceme. That school that smelled so bad is under the wrecking ball and Toledo is rebuilding 75% of our public schools from the ground up. Test scores are trending in the right direction too, but they have a long way to go. I'm hopeful that by the time my 1 year-old grandson is ready for school the system will have it's act together.
Since charter schools are state funded, I don't think they should be in direct competition with the public schools. That's counterproductive. Where the public school is failing that's all they are, but ideally you fix the public school and the charter schools act as an augment -- not a substitute. They should fill niches, like a charter school of the performing arts or for special needs kids or advanced kids. My 13 year old is in one of those, but the 1st grader is in an elementary school that really is nothing unique or special, just not part of the public school system which has been falling apart and won't be done rebuilding for some years.
Rather than pay the vouchers, and we should take the religion out of the equation: why can't we run the public schools like the private and or charter? I know that in my case, diversity is not the issue. People from all races(actually it is about a 50/50 split) attend my neices/nephews schools. In most cases, kids get better educations away from public schools.