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Court of Appeals Rules in favor of Bush Admin

Guantanamo Bay Detainees Can't Challenge Detention in U.S. Courts.

WASHINGTON — Guantanamo Bay detainees may not challenge their detention in U.S. courts, a federal appeals court said Tuesday in a ruling upholding a key provision in a law at the center of President Bush's anti-terrorism plan.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit ruled 2-1 that civilian courts no longer have the authority to consider whether the military is illegally holding foreigners.

Barring detainees from the U.S. court system was a key provision in the Military Commissions Act, which Bush pushed through Congress last year to set up a system to prosecute terrorism suspects.

The ruling is all but certain to be appealed to the Supreme Court, which last year struck down the Bush administration's original plan for trying detainees before military commissions.

The Military Commissions Act was crafted in response to that decision and the president hailed it as a necessary tool for bringing terror suspects to justice.

Good.

Posted by Rosemary on 02.20.2007
Adam (mail):
I guess I'm in agreement with the right wing about this. If we've decided they have no rights, and we don't get any useful information out of them despite waterboarding etc., we should just shoot them and be done with it. Why spend money keeping them in prison, only to let them out later?
2.20.2007 1:50pm
Adam (mail):
from Wikipedia:

As of November 2006, according to MSNBC.com, out of 775 detainees who have been brought to Guantanamo, approximately 340 have been released, leaving 435 detainees. Of those 435, 110 have been labeled as ready for release. Of the other 325, only "more than 70" will face trial, the Pentagon says. That leaves about 250 who may be held indefinitely.

Solution? 250 bullets. Or fewer, if we can get them to double up. Maybe put the executions on Pay-Per-View, to raise money for armored Humvees or something. Still working out the details, but you get the idea.
2.20.2007 2:03pm
shep (mail):
Don't give them any ideas, Adam. They're dangerous for people without principles or empathy.
2.20.2007 2:25pm
Rhianna (mail) (www):
Good that it's been upheld by a lower court, or good that it's headed to SCOTUS (which moves slower than molasses out a tree's ass on a frigid December day)? Just so I know which side of this fence you're on Rose.

Shep, my 'empathy' doesn't lie with those that kill US troops, blow up women and children in markets, or swear they were "in the wrong place at the wrong time". Pulling a trigger at US troops earns you 1 of 2 ways - DEATH (my prefered method, less legal manuvers and wanking) or prison. Don't like it? Oooohhh, I have no 'empathy' for that either.
2.20.2007 3:37pm
Tim_the_Soldier (aka thread killer and nun thriller) (mail):
....as I reluctantly type, "I agree with Rhianna"...in other news, Hell reports an overnight low temp of 31 degrees.
2.20.2007 4:09pm
Adam (mail):
Rhianna:

Did you notice the numbers I quoted? They've already let half of the prisoners go. Even the U.S. government, which considers these people completely without rights and able to be handled in any way deemed necessary, couldn't think of a reason to keep nearly half of the people they rounded up locked up.

A third, of course, will never be tried and never be released. Which, as I said, seems a waste of taxpayers' money. Shoot them and shoot them now.
2.20.2007 4:11pm
Adam (mail):
Bugs Bunny: Would you like to shoot me now or wait 'til you get home?
Daffy Duck: Shoot him now! Shoot him now!
Bugs Bunny: You keep outta this! He doesn't have to shoot you now!
Daffy Duck: He does SO have to shoot me now!
[to Elmer]
Daffy Duck: I demand that you shoot me now!

-Rabbit Seasoning, 1952
2.20.2007 4:18pm
Rosemary, Queen of All Evil (mail):
Good that it was upheld by the US Court of Appeals.
2.20.2007 4:42pm
Adam (mail):
Does a tree have an ass?
2.20.2007 5:06pm
shep (mail):
"Shep, my 'empathy' doesn't lie with those that kill US troops..."

Oh, f*ck you, Rhianna. Me either.

Are you actually running your mouth about the issue without knowing that a bunch of these people are just poor schmucks never did anything to US troops but who were kidnapped, sold to the US government for bounty, hooded, often beaten, thrown into containers, shipped thousands of miles from home, thrown into cages, interrogated, sometimes tortured and left without recourse or any knowledge of whether they would ever see their homes and families again? I'm shocked.

You can go stick your head back up the elephant's ass now.
2.20.2007 6:27pm
Ara Rubyan (www):
Rhianna:

my 'empathy' doesn't lie with those that kill US troops, blow up women and children in markets, or swear they were "in the wrong place at the wrong time".

Nor would mine be if they had actually, you know, been through at least some sort of trial that produced evidence of their alleged crimes.

But they haven't been, and it doesn't look like they will anytime soon.

So stop already: you have no idea who these people are or what they've done. No one does.
2.21.2007 2:19pm
Rosemary, Queen of All Evil (mail):
Nor would mine be if they had actually, you know, been through at least some sort of trial that produced evidence of their alleged crimes.

So, do you need Osama to get a trial too? Or can I assume you have decided to withold your empathy based on U.S. intel?



So stop already: you have no idea who these people are or what they've done. No one does.


Someone does or they wouldn't be in Gitmo.
2.21.2007 2:36pm
shep (mail):
"Someone does or they wouldn't be in Gitmo."

Oh, for God's sake, Rosemary. Why on earth would you take this administration's word for anything? You sound like a complete partisan fool. Every fascist, authoritarian, dictator or cult relies on just such obient blindness. Actually, your blind belief itself is authoritarian.

And as far as those who were fighting a civil war in their own country when US troops decided to stop by, there ought to be a process by which those people are separated from actual al Qaeda. At least, that’s what people who were actually concerned with our national security and competent enough to provide it would do.
2.21.2007 2:42pm
shep (mail):
"...obedient blidness."
2.21.2007 2:45pm
Adam (mail):
Don't like the administration opening your mail or listening in on your phone calls? What do you have to hide, Commie? Innocent people have nothing to worry about.

Don't like people being held indefinitely without charge or access to representation? Why? You're not a terrorist, are you, Bunky? The President does everything he does to Keep Us Safe, and the less we know about the details, the better.

We have always been at war with Eurasia.
2.21.2007 4:12pm
Ara Rubyan (www):
Rosemary:

If I didn't know you better, I'd think you were being serious.
2.21.2007 4:19pm
Rosemary, Queen of All Evil (mail):

If I didn't know you better, I'd think you were being serious.


Damn... I'm just a bit too tired to pull that one off. I hope I'm not slippin'.

At least, Shep bit it. ;-)
2.21.2007 4:34pm
Dean Esmay (www):
They're dangerous for people without principles or empathy.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
2.21.2007 5:11pm
Adam (mail):
Thanks Dean, for that cogent and erudite contribution to the thread. You're a national treasure. Be sure to come back when your next brainstorm rolls through.
2.22.2007 12:09am
shep (mail):
"At least, Shep bit it. ;-)"

OK, truth be told, I never met a woman who couldn't make a fool outta me. Guess I only got half of Yellowbeard:


"Never trust a woman or the government."
2.22.2007 12:39am
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