Is It A Crime To Lie Under Oath To The Senate?
Posted by Rosemary on
05.27.2007
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This whole Plame fiasco started because "Dick" Cheney was pissed that people thought HE sent Wilson to Niger. He couldn't stand it!
So when Byron talks about who approved Wilson's trip to Niger isn't he really just carrying Cheney's water?
And, like the old song says, "Everybody knows this is nowhere."
Ah! well. I guess the left has to come up with something to change the subject when they get caught throwing shit against the wall and nothing sticks.
The subject of the post is Plame's testimony before Congress, and as far as I remember Bush wasn't a participant in the testimony. Care to get back on topic?
Um, no. I'm not biting. Go back and read the trial transcript for yourself. I'm not going to fall for that.
Fact is, Libby was convicted by a jury of his peers for multiple felonies -- perjury and obstruction of justice among them.
I guess the left has to come up with something to change the subject
Bite me, Sandi. Fact is, Libby will be sentenced soon and I am quite sure that Byron York and all the other Libby apologists are trying as hard as they can to turn public opinion (and the judge's attention) away from his crimes and toward a lenient sentence.
I hope it doesn't work: Libby is a convicted felon and deserves the maximum sentence under the law.
Neither of you are discussing the topic of the post.
But then I didn't expect it anyway.
It IS the topic: Libby's enablers and apologists arguing, in advance of his sentencing, that Libby was the least of the offenders in the Plame case.
Come on, Sandi! It's obvious.
In the witch hunt they started, Scooter Libby made a mistake and started lying when he didn't have to because he hadn't done anything illegal or unethical--until he started thinking he had something to cover up and idiotically started lying.
Plame and Wilson got rich and famous off it though--I hope they and their enablers are proud.
Joe Wilson's already been proven a multiple liar before now. Now, we see that Plame at has no credibility anymore either.
It's entirely apparent what happened here: a confusing law looked like maybe it had been broken. The President foolishly immediately cooperated with an intense investigation, and everyone in the White House started pointing fingers and seeking to protect their asses. No one knew for sure if they'd done anything wrong, including Libby. Libby panicked and instead of telling the truth he started lying to protect himself--which was foolish, and for which he deserves condemnation.
But it turns out of course nothing illegal or even unethical was actually done to provoke the investigation in the first place. We know that now with reasonable certainty.
In the meantime, Joe Wilson lied many times to make himself famous and help him get his book royalties and his speaker's fees. And now we know his wife's as credibility-impaired as he is. At minimum they're self-righteous, self-serving, selfish blowhards and partisan hacks. And they put the nation through a pointless witch hunt.
He's a partisan operative. And now we know his wife is too.
Just like we know that no law was broken in the matter of revealing her name, nor anything unethical actually done. Except of course the string of lies these people and their enablers came up with all in their obsessive need either for attention to themselves or just to attack an administration they don't like.
Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic.
Oh well. Y'all got your little witch hunt, and you feel real good about that now.
Excuse me, I'm going to go watch that Terri Schiavo balloon video again.
SCHOOL BOARD PRESIDENT: Mr. Johnson, we want to know how you could betray the trust of your student, your school and your community?
PRINCIPAL: In my defense, that administrative conduct manual is basically incomprehensible. I mean, it has something like 200 pages! Has anyone here actually read that thing?
Plus, she came on to me.
Your best defense for Libby is that he didn't know the difference between truth and lies?
That's it?
If so, that is a devastating indictment of your guy and proof positive that Libby deserves everything he got from the US Justice system.
If Libby really couldn't tell the difference between right and wrong, he should have plead guilty...by reason of insanity.
But he didn't, because he can tell the difference and chose to lie instead of tell the truth.
Fitzgerald petitioned the court for a sentence of between 30-37 months. I wish it could be longer, but I trust Fitz more than anyone else on this case to get it right.
If they're Republicans I'm a Rastafarian.
If a Democrat lies and no other Democrat pays any attention, did anything really happen?
It's the same as when Dean Esmay spouted a lot of falsehoods about the Schiavo case, like that Michael Schiavo prevented any therapy for his wife. (Not only did he spend years on experimental therapies, Schiavo went to nursing school to learn how to take care of her.) Did Dean know that what he spouted was false? Probably not, who knows. But the point is, it fit his worldview, so it didn't matter if it was true or not.
Even Dean now admits that Libby lied. But to him it doesn't matter, because no one did anything wrong - other than lying to the grand jury, of course. :-)
These days, the people who own the "truth" are those who yell the loudest. It's a sick, sad world.
Not much. Just a White House conspiracy that outted an active, covert CIA officer and exposed her secret (Brewster Jennings) operation working against WMD proliferation in the ME, including in Iran.
Considering that the neocons consider Iran to be an adversary of the US, that would make them traitors for giving aid to our enemy. Of course, they may have thought that CIA-provided facts about Iran’s nucular programming could be an impediment to the rest of the neocon jihad (bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran). So, no harm done.
"He supported Gore in 2000 and actually worked for Kerry in 2004"
Well, at least now we know what Wilson’s crime was in the deranged minds of the partisans.
Since when was it a crime to back the president's political opponents?
I don't think that Wilson was very political at all in a Republican vs. Democrat way (at least, until he saw what the party had become under Bush/Cheney). He was an Iraq expert and probaby had a good idea what a disaster we were about to create and knew he had to do what he could to stop it.