Other than another Clinton presidency scares the livin' shit out of me, I'd vote for her. However, that being said I'm hoping SOMEONE is better on the Rethuglican ticket, or better yet an Independent (oooh, or a Green, that'd be fun). I can not bring myself to consider Hilly, though I refuse to vote for 'Illegal immigration isn't a crime, but I was there for 9-11' Giuliani.
Thanks, Rosemary, for letting me in on what I think and believe and how I will act. From now on I'll just wait to hear from you before I think or do or write anything. It'll be easier that way. As a liberal, after all, I have no independent thought, and no integrity. Whew! It's good to get that off my chest.
I can't wait to see you guys genuflect to her greatness with your written words. When she keeps the troops in Iraq, you'll play contortionist and soon you'll convince yourself that you were for it all along.
But I already think that the troops shouldn't be coming home. As a matter of fact, I think there should be an escalation. And this has nothing to do with any of the democratic candidates, it has to do with the situation in Iraq and the surrounding region.
Mark Adams, who's always correct, get used to it. (mail) (www):
Let's get beyond these absurd notions that:
* Rose can see the future,
* that the Hillary/Edwards health insurance mandate is remotely like single-payor government provided medical care commonly misnamed "socialized medicine,"
* that their current proposal resembles what she proposed in 1994,
* that any candidates besides Richardson, Kucinich or Ron Paul has EVER said they want ALL the troops out of the Iraq theater with no residual force or,
* that Kossacks will ever stop their bitching and form a que behind Hillary when she is is anything but progressive.
Anyone hanging on to the above lies is either misinformed, unserious, propagating right-wing propaganda or some combination thereof. (Except the part about Rose being prescient -- who knows.)
However, that Rose predicts she will someday in the future laugh and laugh and laugh, cool! I hope that rings true for us all.
To that end, avoid the Sarah Silverman Show at all cost. It is perhaps the most unfunny "comedy" show of a generation, reminiscent of Chevy Chase doing stand-up, with more poop jokes.
Tim_the_Soldier (aka thread killer and nun thriller) (mail):
I would hate to have another socialist Clinton presidency. I mean, under Bill Clinton, we were so oppressed financially and saw our prosperity dwindle. Oh wait, that's complete bullshit! Whenever someone refers to a democrat as a Socialist, they immediately lose their argument credibility.
You do know that there is an American Socialist Party? You do know that they don't have a favorable opinion of either of the two parties. In fact, they lump them together as one big special interest and big business political party? Please tell me that you're not a big stupid idiot.
On a political spectrum, George Bush is more of a Socialist than Clinton. Let's see how much of our tax dollars are going to have to be spent cleaning up Bush's fucking mess.
I guess moron sandwiches are on sale at your local deli, and you bought a party sub all for yourself.
Hillary is a socialist. But go ahead and vote for her, let me know how much you like the higher taxes, socialized medicine, and higher taxes again.
Her voting record defies your analysis.
I wonder how much you will be laughing when your idea of fine dining is McDonald's, at least you will have "free" healthcare.
That is my idea of fine dining NOW. My husband was unemployed twice during Bush's terms. Both times we exhausted the unemployment insurance. Both times our children had to get medicaid because we couldn't afford to take them to doctors without. Both times we almost lost EVERYTHING WE OWNED. BOTH TIMES WE WERE FUCKED BY THE IRS. BOTH TIMES A REPUBLICAN WAS RUNNING THINGS. Once, I almost died because I couldn't afford the $200/month asthma medication I needed.
If the choice is Rudy or Hillary, then I would not vote. Liberal is and liberal does.
Good. I'm a big believer in people staying home on election day.
Rosemary, sorry, but there is no way you are even the least little bit conservative.
I am and the reason is I don't blame my problems on the government. I'm an adult.
Yes! He's one of my guilty pleasures -- on a similar level with Chapelle...and Sarah Silverman. They're all very funny and (because?) they occasionally go completely over the top.
In comedy, as in life, sometimes you just have to step out of line.
I don't. I blame us, the electorate, for the IRS. If we want to ditch it, we can. We could substitute the Fair Tax, for example, a progressive sales tax. We haven't.
My support for Bush is barely there, for Iraq it is still strong.
If you supported the invasion of Iraq under Bush, whom you have indicated is incompetent, then you share responsibility for the outcome. The consequences of failure in Iraq are quite deep.
Still not able to admit a mistake, yet we're the ones with an integrity problem.
Ro:
I don't blame the government as whole, just the one agency.
...which is somehow...not part of the government?
You probably also believe dick Cheney is not part of the Executive Branch.
Wince:
I blame us, the electorate, for the IRS. If we want to ditch it, we can. We could substitute the Fair Tax, for example, a progressive sales tax. We haven't.
...and probably never will.
Why?
Because it would take an act of Congress and Congress will never do it. They will never give up the power to dole out tax breaks for its favored constituencies.
Yes, yes, the people could force congress to do it, but the people won't because they get the tax breaks.
Tim_the_Soldier (aka thread killer and nun thriller) (mail):
Carlos Mencia is a total fraud and joke stealer!! Do not support him. Dane Cook is also considered a joke stealer. YouTube has a good view of a confrontation between Joe Rogan and Carlos Mencia. Check it out. Mencia is a punk bitch! Plus, his name is Ned.
Nuh uh, Sandi. The Democrats all get a pass because they got tricked/duped by that too smart and savvy Chimpy McHalliburton. Also, they all said they were wrong and apparently stupid.
Yes, yes, the people could force congress to do it, but the people won't because they get the tax breaks.
Well, generally the way these things are sold is to convince people that other people are getting more and more unfair tax breaks than they are and it would be more fair to have no tax breaks and lower tax rates.
It just takes a charismatic salesman. And someone who can or will write a more persuasive and clearer description than I just did. Those can be hard to come by.
I wonder how much you will be laughing when your idea of fine dining is McDonald's, at least you will have "free" healthcare.
If the choice is Rudy or Hillary, then I would not vote. Liberal is and liberal does.
Rosemary, sorry, but there is no way you are even the least little bit conservative.
It's all about winning and losing with you, isn't it?
No, by most standards, Hilary Clinton is a moderate conservative, which is pretty goddamn far from being a socialist.
I find that most people who throw around the "socialist" label wouldn't know a socialist if they got bitten in the ass by one.
But I already think that the troops shouldn't be coming home. As a matter of fact, I think there should be an escalation. And this has nothing to do with any of the democratic candidates, it has to do with the situation in Iraq and the surrounding region.
Rose, have you ever indicated that your support of the Iraq war was a mistake?
Anyone hanging on to the above lies is either misinformed, unserious, propagating right-wing propaganda or some combination thereof. (Except the part about Rose being prescient -- who knows.)
However, that Rose predicts she will someday in the future laugh and laugh and laugh, cool! I hope that rings true for us all.
To that end, avoid the Sarah Silverman Show at all cost. It is perhaps the most unfunny "comedy" show of a generation, reminiscent of Chevy Chase doing stand-up, with more poop jokes.
You do know that there is an American Socialist Party? You do know that they don't have a favorable opinion of either of the two parties. In fact, they lump them together as one big special interest and big business political party? Please tell me that you're not a big stupid idiot.
On a political spectrum, George Bush is more of a Socialist than Clinton. Let's see how much of our tax dollars are going to have to be spent cleaning up Bush's fucking mess.
I guess moron sandwiches are on sale at your local deli, and you bought a party sub all for yourself.
No, I haven't. I don't plan to either. I don't think my support was a mistake, just Bush's handling. That isn't the same.
Hillary is a socialist. But go ahead and vote for her, let me know how much you like the higher taxes, socialized medicine, and higher taxes again.
Her voting record defies your analysis.
I wonder how much you will be laughing when your idea of fine dining is McDonald's, at least you will have "free" healthcare.
That is my idea of fine dining NOW. My husband was unemployed twice during Bush's terms. Both times we exhausted the unemployment insurance. Both times our children had to get medicaid because we couldn't afford to take them to doctors without. Both times we almost lost EVERYTHING WE OWNED. BOTH TIMES WE WERE FUCKED BY THE IRS. BOTH TIMES A REPUBLICAN WAS RUNNING THINGS. Once, I almost died because I couldn't afford the $200/month asthma medication I needed.
If the choice is Rudy or Hillary, then I would not vote. Liberal is and liberal does.
Good. I'm a big believer in people staying home on election day.
Rosemary, sorry, but there is no way you are even the least little bit conservative.
I am and the reason is I don't blame my problems on the government. I'm an adult.
I have a good laugh!
Nope. It is for you though and you'll prove it.
Adam,
You are very welcome!
Double: I didn't mean you.
Mark: I didn't used to be but I've recently been awakened.
Tim: Exactly.
Geez, this place makes me talk nonsense.
First there's this:
BOTH TIMES WE WERE FUCKED BY THE IRS.
then there's this:
I don't blame my problems on the government. I'm an adult.
You'll have to explain this a bit further.
Were you, in fact, suggesting that you (and Dean) had sex with a large Executive Branch agency?
How many employees were involved? What did the IRS Commissioner know and when did he know it?
Or, if you meant it in a figurative way, did you not believe getting "fucked" -- sorry, "FUCKED" -- was a problem? If not, why all caps?
Carlos is Da Bomb!
Yes! He's one of my guilty pleasures -- on a similar level with Chapelle...and Sarah Silverman. They're all very funny and (because?) they occasionally go completely over the top.
In comedy, as in life, sometimes you just have to step out of line.
Then your assessment of Bush's competence was the tragic error? In that light, your support would still be an error. Has that one been admitted?
Ara,
I don't blame the government as whole, just the one agency. Besides everyone hates the IRS.
I don't. I blame us, the electorate, for the IRS. If we want to ditch it, we can. We could substitute the Fair Tax, for example, a progressive sales tax. We haven't.
Yours,
Wince
If you supported the invasion of Iraq under Bush, whom you have indicated is incompetent, then you share responsibility for the outcome. The consequences of failure in Iraq are quite deep.
Still not able to admit a mistake, yet we're the ones with an integrity problem.
I don't blame the government as whole, just the one agency.
...which is somehow...not part of the government?
You probably also believe dick Cheney is not part of the Executive Branch.
Wince:
I blame us, the electorate, for the IRS. If we want to ditch it, we can. We could substitute the Fair Tax, for example, a progressive sales tax. We haven't.
...and probably never will.
Why?
Because it would take an act of Congress and Congress will never do it. They will never give up the power to dole out tax breaks for its favored constituencies.
Yes, yes, the people could force congress to do it, but the people won't because they get the tax breaks.
As does the Congress Republicans and Democrats alike for approving the invasion.
And....?
Well, generally the way these things are sold is to convince people that other people are getting more and more unfair tax breaks than they are and it would be more fair to have no tax breaks and lower tax rates.
It just takes a charismatic salesman. And someone who can or will write a more persuasive and clearer description than I just did. Those can be hard to come by.
Yours,
Wince
I agree. It's more likely we'll have a national sales tax AND the IRS.
Yours,
Wince
You need it, you have an expensive war to pay for, plus a decade or two of it to go.