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I'm Surprised By People That Are Surprised...

At the level of venom spewed in this campaign. Honestly, I do not remember ever witnessing a campaign for anything that wasn't venomous. This didn't just start this year or even this century. Nasty campaigning has been around as long as politics and elections have been around.

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Posted by Rosemary on 03.29.2008
Mark Adams, who's always correct, get used to it. (mail) (www):
So, If I get this right, we should look at the campaign like Wince looks at the war. Historically low casualties for such a protracted struggle means everything is just peachy, right?

What about aspiring to our better angels? What about not rationalizing away what we know instinctively to be detrimental to society at large as justified because "everybody does it" or "it's always been that way" because that's the easy, lazy way to keep digging the same holes.

If this is your true perspective, then it's quite easy to see why you see Obama as the empty suit. He's appealing to something you reject out of hand. His theme is that we could keep on doing things the way we always have -- or today, this day, we can say enough. We can collectively say, not this time.

I think we are quite capable as a species to take this evolutionary step towards a more enlightened society.

I think you can have a very long view and a real understanding of politics and history and say that despite the fact that 200 years ago, campaigns were nasty, we've come a long way from the days when the very idea of a political campaign was unthinkable, infringing on the inherent powers of a divinely empowered sovereign whose official embodiment as ruler of all he could survey was initiated by his coronation by the Pope.

I think you can have an even longer view that we have evolved dramatically towards a more perfect union from the times when a popular warrior could cross the Rubicon and proclaim himself Emperor by destroying republican institutions (small "r") through sheer force of arms, personal loyalties, and family connections -- setting up a power base resting on slavery and slaughter.

I think it takes a particularly short and pessimistic view of history and politics to think that we have not and can not progress and evolve to be even better.

I think we can be the people we've been waiting for.

Does that make me a naive Obamatron, I think not. I think I'm much more optimistic than he is and have a much longer view of the human condition that we can make things better by changing Washington or even recognizing and confronting the damnable things about America. I think we can aspire to more than a more perfect union, but a more perfect world.

Don't you want to believe that too?

Don't tell me all the problems, the impossible hurdles to getting there. Tell me how your candidates, McCain or Hillary, inspire you to make tomorrow better. Because if you aren't trying to improve the human condition, working towards evolving towards being a more perfect social entity or at least thinking of ways to make a world a better place, you're in the way of those of us who are.

We need more Don Quixotes in this world.
3.29.2008 3:11pm
Rosemary, Queen of All Evil (mail):
I would never call you a naive Obamatron. If you are with Obama it's more than likely you are there for the same reason I'll end up with McCain. Default.


Don't you want to believe that too?


I'd love to believe that but right now it's very difficult to even try.

Don't tell me all the problems, the impossible hurdles to getting there. Tell me how your candidates, McCain or Hillary, inspire you to make tomorrow better. Because if you aren't trying to improve the human condition, working towards evolving towards being a more perfect social entity or at least thinking of ways to make a world a better place, you're in the way of those of us who are.

You already know that my candidates are mine because I have no choices available to me to make me feel inspired. I agree with none of them on more than an issue or two. Right now, I have very little optimism and I'm waiting for one of them to make me "feel it" - hasn't happened yet. I really wish it did.
3.29.2008 3:22pm
TQL:
Mark,

BRAVO! I really don't have much else to add...
3.29.2008 4:14pm
Mark Adams, who's always correct, get used to it. (mail) (www):
TQL, Thank You.

Rose:

I'd love to believe that but right now it's very difficult to even try.
One day at a time. Get your ass in gear and do the right thing or get out of the way. We got a world to fix.
;-)
3.29.2008 7:04pm
McKiernan:
Obama is a Mac Daddy and a phoney.

Get a clue, Mark, Obama is a stufted suit.
3.29.2008 8:36pm
Mark Adams, who's always correct, get used to it. (mail) (www):
Oh for Pete's sake, make up your minds. Empty suit or stuffed suit, which is it? I can't have a meaningful discussion with you pessimists until you get your metaphors together.

Either way I like his tailor.
3.29.2008 9:30pm
shep (mail):
You’re right about the venom in this campaign relative to historical politics – and wrong about just about everything else. This may come a huge shock to you but some political attacks are true and relevant (rational people call them criticisms) and others are not. For example, Hillary Clinton’s female gender may be true but it isn’t relevant. Likewise, what the pastor at Obama’s church said. John Kerry’s windsurfing and “Frenchness”: not relevant. John Kerry’s military record: relevant but completely untrue as rendered by the Swiftvets. What John Hagee, Pat Robertson and other evangenlical nutjobs have said: true but not relevant. John McCain's pandering flip-flop on "agents of intolerance": true and relevant.

I understand that this stuff is way over your head but the important point is that this is not a fucking party game. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people have been killed and millions more have had their lives destroyed by American soldiers because of Al Gore’s brown suit and lies about what he said about Love Story and the Internet. Irrelevant and untrue crap catapulted by people who don’t care about the difference for consumption by people who are too stupid to know the difference (you know where you fit in here) has brought this country – the world for that matter – to the brink of catastrophe.

If your point is that mindless partisans are always going to create this sort of corrupt politics and the tragic consequences they may lead to, then: 1) the only responsible reaction for lucid, humane people is to call their bullshit immediately and in no uncertain terms and 2) you are constantly on the wrong side of that particular fence. You’ve made a blog around it.
3.29.2008 10:10pm
McKiernan:
Empty suit or stuffed suit, which is it ?

Huh ?

The expression was stufted suit, Mark. Read careful.

When did we get to be the pessimists ? And was it before or after yorn metaphors ?
3.29.2008 10:14pm
shep (mail):
"Get a clue, Mark, Obama is a stufted suit."

P-O-L-I-T-I-C-I-A-N. The only relevant question is how he stacks up against the other choices, also P-O-L-I-T-I-C-I-A-N-S.

Get a clue yourself, pinhead.
3.29.2008 10:15pm
McKiernan:
Oops, sorry, I seem to be at least one martini short of shep.

I'll continue later.
3.29.2008 10:17pm
shep (mail):
Oops, sorry, I seem to be at least one martini short of shep.

Possibly. Your trouble is that you can only catch up on martinis.
3.29.2008 10:21pm
Mark Adams, who's always correct, get used to it. (mail) (www):
Stufted? My bad. I was assuming I was dealing with someone literate. I'll remember to type slower when you are around.
3.29.2008 11:59pm
McKiernan:
Ya, Obama is a stufted shirt, as in, Stuft Pizza, but more lower grade.

It ain't no typo, eejit. Stufted is stufted as in stufted shirt.

Of course, they ain't got none in flatland country, left ?
3.30.2008 12:17am
Rosemary, Queen of All Evil (mail):
Grey Goose night! Woo Hoo!
3.30.2008 12:27am
shep (mail):
"Of course, they ain't got none in flatland country, left ?"

It appears he's caught up after all. Color me...impressed.
3.30.2008 1:18am
Mark Adams, who's always correct, get used to it. (mail) (www):
Man, If I wanted to deal with drunks, I'd go to work and refill the frozen margarita machine.

I'm thinking changing out the strawberry for pineapple.
3.30.2008 7:28am
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