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Instapundit Gets Punked

By Matoko Chan over Ben Stein's Intelligent Design movie Expelled Exposed. She totally called the Professor a Theocon shill. He whined but she handed him his ass on this one. (I also added her blog to the blogroll. Very overdue linkage on my part)

Give her a round of applause!

Posted by Rosemary on 04.22.2008
Ara Rubyan (www):
The Flying Spaghetti Monster has linked to Matoko too.
4.22.2008 7:48am
maryatexitzero (mail) (www):
"Matoko" usually fails to be an interesting construct. The best way to deal with Stein's movie is to ignore it.

Although it is interesting to note that the high IQ academics who refuse to accept the cheesy theory of intelligent design ARE willing to accept the fact that the failed theory of Marxism is still taught in our universities. And I'm not even going to get into the dimwitted theories taught by Peter Singer in Princeton.

If universities are willing to allow Marxism and Singer in, why not allow intelligent design? Why not the alchemists, the flat earth society and the phrenologists?
4.22.2008 8:21am
Rosemary, Queen of All Evil (mail):
LOL. At least, SPoDE didn't.
4.22.2008 8:22am
Ara Rubyan (www):
If universities are willing to allow Marxism and Singer in, why not allow intelligent design?

Well, for starters, Marxism isn't taught in science class.

Why not the alchemists, the flat earth society and the phrenologists?

Have at it. Just don't call it "science."
4.22.2008 8:58am
matoko_chan (mail):
well....i think it is really IQ-baiting.
Both sides try to exploit the thinker/believer axis to their advantage.
like wat mary is sayin about marxism....that is IQ-baiting.
see goldberg here--

I do think Darwinism led to Nazism, in a sense. But that's because I see Nazism as one of many responses to modernism. And Darwin, for good and ill, represents the rise of modern science — along with Einstein and others. Nazism and Communism and Progressivism were all impossible without the industrial revolution, Darwinism, relativism, mechanized warfare, mass production, etc. They were reactionary responses to these things. Those responses amounted to an express rejection of the conservative and libertarian vision of society, which is why they were leftwing.

His book, liberal facism, same thing.
like, since i believe in theory of evolution and theory of relativity, i must be a facist or a marxist?
IQ-baiting.
4.22.2008 9:50am
matoko_chan (mail):

More NRO IQ-baiting.


So, ultimately, what? When the time comes, the One Truth that is supreme is all that matters. Friday abstinence, the Pythagorean Theorem, Darwinism, the boiling blood of St. Januarius (coming this Saturday at the Cathedral of San Gennaro in Naples) – all of this evaporates in meaning and relevance when one engages Christ’s presence. So says WFB. I agree.


How irresistable, how infinitely seductive is this meme?
You are just as smart as those snobby scientists....you are smart where it really matters!
God-smart!
4.22.2008 9:59am
shep (mail):
God is a tool. So is "Conservatism." Always have been.
4.22.2008 12:16pm
double-plus-ungood (mail) (www):
Those responses amounted to an express rejection of the conservative and libertarian vision of society, which is why they were leftwing.

My God, Goldberg is such an ignorant twit, it takes my breath away at times. I guess he considers anti-Statist Anarchists like Bakunin conservatives then?
4.22.2008 12:34pm
Ara Rubyan (www):

My God, Goldberg is such an ignorant twit, it takes my breath away at times.


It's what Republicans call "lowering the bar."
4.22.2008 12:47pm
maryatexitzero (mail) (www):
Have at it. Just don't call it "science."

If the majority of humanities professors were pure mercatilists would you be so copasetic?

Lately the humanities have become a refuge for all sorts of garbage theories. And they wonder why they get no respect...
4.22.2008 2:12pm
shep (mail):
"Lately the humanities have become a refuge for all sorts of garbage theories."

Everyone has their own demons. Me, I think that teaching the theory of mercantilism alongside the theory of Marxism is a perfectly defensible (and rather fascinating) humanities program. Then, I'm not afraid of ideas.
4.22.2008 2:21pm
McKiernan:
Yogi Berra says that in theory, there is no difference between theory and practice, yet in practice there is.

And Yogi said, in baseball three things can happen:

'you can win, you can lose or it can rain.'
4.22.2008 4:00pm
McKiernan:
Yogi was a phenomenologist and not into metaphysics, cosmology nor quantum theory.

I have no clue what his position on theocons are, except that good pitching can always beat good hitting and vice versa unless it rains.
4.22.2008 4:17pm
Tim (mail):
So if a little child walks up to badass "street fighter" (lol) and says something funny, clever, and insulting, that's called getting punked?

When you have no credentials, no track record, no proof of accomplishment, you cannot "punk" someone.

Rosemary, you never "bitch-slapped" Obama despite your claims. And Matoko never punked Instapundit.
4.22.2008 4:21pm
Rosemary, Queen of All Evil (mail):
Oh, boo hoo, Tim says I didn't bitch slap Obama and Matoko didn't punk Instapundit.

We should just kill ourselves in shame. The mighty Tim, the guy who shoves tomatoes in his ass to make ketchup, the one who likes to do bad things with eel cum... Whatever shall I do now?

Eh, who cares...I don't listen to people that only seem to get off on slamming me and not even slamming me well. Your stroking arm must be cramped up, eh Timmy?
4.22.2008 4:30pm
Mr. Wonderful (mail):
It's Howdy Doody time ... it's Howdy Doody time!
4.22.2008 4:59pm
Ara Rubyan (www):
If the majority of humanities professors were pure mercatilists would you be so copasetic?

That's a hypothetical question. We're talking about the real problem of religion being taught in science classes.

P.S. do you mean "mercantilist?"
4.22.2008 6:25pm
maryatexitzero (mail) (www):
P.S. do you mean "mercantilist?"

Hey, I spelled copasetic right.

If we're going to complain about people teaching junk science to our kids, the line should have been drawn about 2 decades ago, when respected universities honored (and paid) Peter Singer to spread his message .

Singers message was that animals are often more valuable and worthwhile than people; people are more comparable to a virus than to a noble animal like a great ape; it's ok to kill crippled babies if you don't feel like taking care of them.

Singer's message has done more damage to the sciences than intelligent design ever could. There's a biologist in Austin who has stated that the world would be a better place without human beings, and if billions died from an incurable disease, the planet would be nicer. This would be a scary statement coming from a humanities major, but when a trained biologist says it, it's kind of alarming.

My daughter's teachers are telling her that Norman Borlaug's 'green revolution' was a bad thing because it increased the world's population.

Science majors are required to take some humanities courses, and bad philosophy has a way of spreading fast. If we're going to object to one destructive junk theory, we should object to all of them.
4.22.2008 6:49pm
McKiernan:
ok matoko,

if'n yorn fer freedom of scientifaecal enquiry,

why duz yorn blog require registrations with
blogger for eejits to comment ?

Mayb we don't wanna sign up for big brother watch.

Its seems very commie.
4.22.2008 7:49pm
shep (mail):
"There's a biologist in Austin who has stated that the world would be a better place without human beings, and if billions died from an incurable disease, the planet would be nicer. This would be a scary statement coming from a humanities major, but when a trained biologist says it, it's kind of alarming."

Actually, it makes perfect sense for a biologist to state that human beings are bad for the planet's biology. What's even arguable about that? You need to learn to separate "junk theory" from things you just don't like to hear.
4.22.2008 8:33pm
maryatexitzero (mail) (www):
shep - this is what I was talking about:

Noted evolutionary ecologist and lizard fanatic Eric Pianka, a one-time Fulbright scholar and Guggenheim fellow recognized with this year’s Texas Academy of Science distinguished scientist award, is apparently advocating a swift and harsh solution to the population bomb and diminishing natural resources.

As fellow academy member Forrest Mims III reports in The Citizen Scientist, professor Pianka talked about the need to wipe out most of the human race in his award speech to the 109th annual academy conference last month at Lamar University in Beaumont, Texas.

“I watched in amazement,” Mims reports, “as a few hundred members of the Texas Academy of Science rose to their feet and gave a standing ovation to a speech that enthusiastically advocated the elimination of 90 percent of Earth’s population by airborne Ebola (virus).”

If you think this is a good idea, you have the survival skills of krill..
4.22.2008 9:00pm
shep (mail):
No, I'm not a big fan of mass murder. OTOH, if we manage to kill off the krill (and/or the plankton) then everything and everybody - the 90% anyway - goes with it. That's what has many biologists alarmed and otherwise pissed-off about human stupidity.

Anyway, absent any link, I'll need to hear the exact, sourced quote to believe that "a few hundred members of the Texas Academy of Science" were applauded mass murder by infectious agent.
4.22.2008 9:35pm
shep (mail):
Strike "were".

You have a rep now of sourcing lunatic ravings as the basis of your...well, you get the idea. How the hell do you choose your reading list, anyway?
4.22.2008 9:38pm
maryatexitzero (mail) (www):
It's true, those lunatic ravings and more can be found on a lunatic site, the North American Animal Liberation Press office. Nutters all.

OTOH, if we manage to kill off the krill (and/or the plankton) then everything and everybody - the 90% anyway - goes with it. That's what has many biologists alarmed and otherwise pissed-off about human stupidity.

Uh huh. We know that humanity will wind up killing off all life on the planet because of what we've done to the poor deer. And the bears. and the jogger-eating mountain lions. And the canadian geese! Those poor, pitiful nearly-extinct beasts.

when those many pissed-off biologists are whining about human stupidity, they know from personal experience.
4.22.2008 9:57pm
shep (mail):
"Uh huh. We know that humanity will wind up killing off all life on the planet because of what we've done to the poor deer."

Ooooh, whistling past the graveyard. They do indeed know about human stupidity from personal experience since they can read self-deluded, cherry-picking, clueless-about-ecology idiots, in addition to watching what we are all doing.

I'll type this slowly: it's call a "food chain" for a reason.

BTW, still waiting for the citation to your previous lunatic raving, since this one appears to be yours and yours alone.
4.22.2008 10:26pm
maryatexitzero (mail) (www):
BTW, still waiting for the citation to your previous lunatic raving, since this one appears to be yours and yours alone.

I don't include links as often as I used to, since a lot of programs will throw a comment with too many links into spam. But if you're looking for the Pianka speech article, it was quoted here (originally posted in the Contra Costa times).

More info on Pianka is here

they can read self-deluded, cherry-picking, clueless-about-ecology idiots

So, i guess you agree with Dr. Singer?

A liberal is often defined as someone who will never take his own side in an argument. When this extends to the point where they're happy to see their own species wiped out, this quality puts them at the same food-chain level as the dodo bird.
4.22.2008 10:56pm
shep (mail):
So this is your sole "authoritative source" in the ridiculous characterization of why "a few hundred members of the Texas Academy of Science rose to their feet and gave a standing ovation":

Mims has no formal academic training in science[1] he has a successful career as a science author, researcher, lecturer and syndicated columnist. For instance, his series of electronics books for Radio Shack sold over 7 million copies.


The rest is equally deluded and paranoid thinking that should really be treated by a doctor. In the meantime, perhaps Radio Shack has some sort of apparatus you can affix to your hat to protect you from the biologists' dangerous ebola rays.
4.22.2008 11:43pm
Ara Rubyan (www):
If we're going to complain about people teaching junk science to our kids

No. No. NO.

Religion has no place in the science classroom.

Period.
4.23.2008 12:17am
maryatexitzero (mail) (www):
I don't think someone needs a degree in science to know when a speaker has received a standing ovation..?

In any case, Mims didn't say this:

Actually, it makes perfect sense for a biologist to state that human beings are bad for the planet's biology. What's even arguable about that?

Even the dodo birds didn't have such contempt for their own kind.
4.23.2008 12:22am
McKiernan:
Who cares what ganked means ?

Evolution is based on theory. Scientists love theory. But in theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. This causes problems.

Firstly, scientists always say, we made too many wrong mistakes, but our theory is still good. Then, they say, well we can't prove our theory because we can't measure it just yet, but the theocons still suck.

Now creationists don't believe in theory, they believe in God. This also causes problems because no one can measure God.

So, then scientists come back and say, well we don't believe in anything unless it can be measured, with the exception of theory and by the way let’s keep religion out of the science class because we still make too many wrong mistakes.

The goal, then, is to convince scientists that God is a theory but not a measurable one and as well to convince creationists that God is measurable but not in theory and only in practice but not in science class.

That should cover all the bases but only if they need to be covered.
4.23.2008 12:30am
shep (mail):
"Even the dodo birds didn't have such contempt for their own kind."

Last I heard, Dodo birds had no self-awareness, weren't otherwise too bright and are now extinct. If only you were capable of figuring out where you fit in with that particular ecological niche.
4.23.2008 12:52am
matoko_chan (mail):
copacetic
4.23.2008 1:20am
maryatexitzero (mail) (www):
They've done some recent experiments that show that some animals are self-aware. The debate about this subject is way too complicated to go into here, so it's just worth noting that all animals have enough functioning brain matter to take care of the essentials of life - finding food, reproducing, self-defense. Some predators and herd animals will also defend their family or group.

The dodo bird was wiped out by their inability to recognize that people (and their dogs, cats, etc) were predators. These birds lived on an isolated island, and they didn't have time to adapt to the change.

With their belief that the world would be better off without their 'herd', the ability of the followers of Peter Singer to survive in their environment is less successful than the dodo birds'. The fact that some would be happy to kill millions based on their beliefs makes them less adaptable and successful than an ameoba.
4.23.2008 9:11am
maryatexitzero (mail) (www):
copacetic

"Matoko" - I don't doubt that you're very intelligent. After all, I believed that there was some sort of "Matoko" entity, a unique man/woman behind the Matoko curtain for a while, and I usually know bullshit when I smell it.

But continuing this construct, the Matoko-speak, etc. - it's kinda whacked.
4.23.2008 9:17am
Ara Rubyan (www):
Now creationists don't believe in theory, they believe in God.

As in, "Why is the sky blue?"

"Because God wants it that way."

P.S. Why the false choice between God and science? Either-or? Zero sum?

I believe in God; I also consider myself a scientist (although strictly on a hobby basis).

Why must it be one or the other?

For example: people who challenge me to prove God exists bore the crap out of me. It's like challenging me to prove sugar is sweet.

I just know it is. And let's go from there.
4.23.2008 9:32am
double-plus-ungood (mail) (www):
For example: people who challenge me to prove God exists bore the crap out of me. It's like challenging me to prove sugar is sweet.

I never have a need for people to prove to me that they find the taste of sugar sweet. Even if someone claimed that it tasted sour to them, I would not be interested in proof, or even in contending that it tasted sour to them.

On the other hand, when someone tells me that it should taste sour to me, then I'll be asking for that proof.
4.23.2008 12:54pm
Ara Rubyan (www):
No argument from me, my friend.

That's a great rationale for separation of church and state.

P.S. And I don't find you boring. [ISFH]
4.23.2008 1:21pm
double-plus-ungood (mail) (www):
That's a great rationale for separation of church and state.

Yup, sure is.

ISFH

International Society For Hermaphrodites? Informational Standards Formula Hippopotamus?
4.23.2008 3:53pm
Ara Rubyan (www):
insert smiley face ... here, although I like that first one.
4.23.2008 4:06pm
IB Bill (mail) (www):
I was initially disposed to teaching intelligent design until I realized that they wanted to teach this in a science classroom, not in a humanities one.

Intelligent design is something to be speculated upon over the first couple of beers and cigarettes at the bar after science class, to order the higher faculties of mind before your attention turns to the coeds and you start acting like a chimpanzee.
4.23.2008 5:14pm
Ara Rubyan (www):
I was initially disposed to teaching intelligent design until I realized that they wanted to teach this in a science classroom, not in a humanities one.

Exactly -- most people get that after about about six seconds. And it should be taught in a comparative religions class or nowhere at all.

Intelligent design is something to be speculated upon over the first couple of beers

Better yet!
4.23.2008 6:19pm
Ara Rubyan (www):
P.S. The more beers you have, the cooler it sounds.
4.23.2008 6:19pm
shep (mail):
"P.S. The more beers you have, the cooler it sounds."

And the better the coeds look.
4.23.2008 9:24pm
matoko_chan (mail):
/shrug

the proof is in the pudding, as they say.
expelledexposed went viral on the rightside social network.
Charles and zombie and pixy misa and SDB beat stein and expelled like a redheaded stepchild.

i won...all i wanted was the linkage.
dr.reynolds is pretty mad at me....but captain stupid got a good clubbing with the reality cluestick. ;)
i knew when the core intelligentsia got a hold of the expelledexposed link, we'd win the meme war.
lolz
4.24.2008 2:49pm
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