As for Pennsylvania, the exit polls tell the tale:
Obama's percent of the vote in OH vs. PA:
60 and older......OH28...PA38
White............OH34...PA38
White men.........OH39...PA44
White women......OH31...PA34
Less than $50K...OH42...PA46
No college......OH40...PA38
College............OH51...PA49
Catholic.........OH36...PA31
Protestant.........OH36...PA53
In the end, Clinton won in OH by 10.5% but only 9.4% in PA -- a state that had even less of Obama's base voters in it: smaller A-A population and not as many young voters (Pennsylvania's seniors accounted for 32 percent of the electorate, compared to 23 percent in Ohio).
In the end, Obama is poised to get the nomination, even after having been hit by multiple cruise missiles -- from Hillary AND Bill, McCain AND the entire GOP machine. After all, the last guy either one of them wants to win is Obama.
He drained her campaign treasury -- and he'll do it again and again and again until she throws in the towel.
Then he'll do it to McCain, too.
The deepest pockets don't always win -- but it sure don't hurt to have em.
This primary election isn't about deep pockets, Ara. Barack Hussein outspent Hillary 3-1 in Pennsylvania, and all it but him was a double-digit defeat in one of the most politically significant states in any presidential election.
It's about identity. People identify themselves as white, black, american indian, asian. They identify themselves as working class or as Harvard class. They identify themselves as gun owners or gun haters. They identify themselves as mail female. They identify themselves as young or old; rich or poor; rural/small town or urban; in business, working for someone else, looking for work, or just plain unemployed. When times get tough, they identify themselves as having fuel for their car, food for their children, a roof over their heads, or some place to get treated in a medical emergency. When times get really tough, they look for the strongest local armed and organized gang to join up with for defense or for loot.
From many years of reading your stuff, I find you amusing. But I also think you are a guy who doesn't really know a lot about life on the street, dealing with unaccustomed situations, or even american political realities.
You sort of remind me of the kind of guy the Turks or their local Kurds would have caught in Turkish Armenia back in April 1915, and casually murdered. Or one of the Jews whom the nazi death squads would have pulled out of your apartment in Minsk in July 1941, driven out to the nearby forest, shot in the back of the head, and dumped into a pre-excavated mass grave. Or in the USSR in the winter of 1937, you would have been the local old bolshevik loudmouth sent out by the GPU or NKVD to one of the Gulag camps around Vorkuta or Kolyma, waiting for someone like Lt Kashketin to take you out in the woods and kill you.
This primary election isn't about deep pockets, Ara. Barack Hussein outspent Hillary 3-1 in Pennsylvania, and all it but him was a double-digit defeat in one of the most politically significant states in any presidential election.
And all it left her was...broke. And how come she can't raise any money anyway? Sounds to me like, in addition to more delegates and more votes, he's got the market!
You sort of remind me of the kind of guy the Turks or their local Kurds would have caught in Turkish Armenia back in April 1915, and casually murdered.
You know, Arnold, that's exactly what happened to my grandfather. And I think you're an asshole for thinking that's funny.
Or one of the Jews whom the nazi death squads would have pulled out of your apartment in Minsk in July 1941, driven out to the nearby forest, shot in the back of the head, and dumped into a pre-excavated mass grave.
And you would have been the one who pulled the trigger.
Ara's right. It's a Democratic primary, Hillary is only "winning" certain "identity groups" by smallish margins, white, Democratic, women aren't going to vote for "bomb, bomb McCain and you're projecting again, Arnold.
The only Democrats who aren't going to switch to Obama after he gets the nomination are people who just can't bring themselves vote for a black man. Fortunately, it's a dying breed.
It's about identity. People identify themselves as white, black, american indian, asian. They identify themselves as working class or as Harvard class. They identify themselves as gun owners or gun haters. They identify themselves as mail female. They identify themselves as young or old; rich or poor; rural/small town or urban; in business, working for someone else, looking for work, or just plain unemployed. When times get tough, they identify themselves as having fuel for their car, food for their children, a roof over their heads, or some place to get treated in a medical emergency. When times get really tough, they look for the strongest local armed and organized gang to join up with for defense or for loot.
...but folks aren't bitter, right?
You are right, it is about identity. And, I think Obama (your insistence on calling him Barrack Hussein is really ridiculous and somewhat telling...) has tried to point out that we if we work together we can transcend the identity politics that have defined us for generations. That by coming together, we can talk about and work together to find solutions to the problems that face us -- no matter where we fall in terms of our identity.
The last 6 weeks have cut into that perspective greatly. He's had to defend who he is, while Hillary has sat back and played into people's fears and anxieties. She's allowed race baiting and the worst of identity politics to grab a hold of this race to the point where issues hardly matter. It really is disgusting...
There's no need. We're not living your or Harris' dystopian nightmare. We're also still interested in trying to keep it from becoming reality. Why don't you guys retire to your armed camps and pray to each other for your judgment day. In your cases, it can't happen soon enough.
"Pastor Manning on responsibility and accountability. What on earth does that have to do with anything ?"
Ara,
The issues of which I am concerned aren't Pastor Manning's religion or how he expresses it but how he addresses the social plight of young black Americans. They are in crisis mode, the future is bleak.
The past fifty years of left liberalism has contributed zero except single parent households, a million incarcerated black men, black unemployment, low scale jobs and education issues unless poor education, foods stamps, and unemployment are genuine benefits.
Obama is the left liberal more than any other candidate.
Mark Adams, who's always correct, get used to it. (mail) (www):
Oh here we go again, the "liberals" are all to blame for the war-hawks given their head so LBJ could pass though the start of his Great Society, on for the job to be stopped and rolled back when only half done by Nixon, who left Ford an out-of-control inflation death spiral that to this day Jimmy Carter is vilified for trying to fix.
Reagan-Bush-Bush account for 16 years of your 50, Nixon/Ford another 8, and Ike was POTUS 50 years ago. GOP administrations account for just over half of the last 50 years and never once during that period did the Democrats have a veto-proof and seldom a filibuster-proof majority in Congress.
Take a look at the SCOTUS, which barely passed Roe and has been centrist or right-centrist throughout. Hell, Roe v. Wade itself was a split decision that only fell the way it did when Blackmun, appointed by Ike to the appellate bench and Nixon to SCOTUS, wrote the opinion that was joined by Ike appointee Potter Stewart, a Cincinnati Republican of the same machine that gave us Taft, DeWine and Blackwell; and Nixon's Chief Justice Warren Burger, who got the job after LBJ's much more liberal nominee was filibustered by the GOP.
It's true that it's all about identity politics, but the GOP defines itself by whom they are against, which is always the hated liberals who are demonized for everything -- no matter how foolish and deceitful the conservatives are when they try to hang every wrong on their enemy. It's ridiculous, now you folks are trying to blame us for Hitler and the KKK. What. A. Joke.
If not succumbing to fear like a coward, and refusing to buy every lie that comes from the spin machine but challenging the conventional partisan line is what it takes to be a liberal, I'm proud to be one.
Nothing quite as entertaining as sitting back on the couch with a bowl of popcorn and watching the Democrat party implode. LOL
It is just so much fun as watching Hillary and Barrack attack each other. They are going to make both of them unelectable. I know that you'll all deny it. But it's true. LOL.
This is better than the Super Bowl for a political junkie like me.
Turns out, Barrack isn't the new Messiah after all. Hillary is going to expose all of his warts we don’t have to do anything. His elitist attitude, his racist minister, blah, blah, blah. Good this is just so darn good! We can just relax and enjoy.
Oh yeah, one last thing. “Operation Chaos” is working like a charm. Rush is a genius.
Fact is, with all that, McCain cannot top low to mid 40s in the national polls.
Don't you think St. John should be ahead by 10-15 points by now? But he's not. He's not because he's like a 1999 Internet stock: great numbers, lousy fundamentals.
Wait til the Dems have their nominee: McCain, like the Internet bubble, will burst.
It is just so much fun as watching Hillary and Barrack attack each other. They are going to make both of them unelectable. I know that you'll all deny it. But it's true. LOL.
Actually, you are half right. Hillary is attacking Obama with both her words and her silence, only adding to her image as a "fighter" who will win at any cost and step on necks, break kneecaps, and stab spines to get there. Hopefully, they won't come out too bloody in the end. Though, I don't know if it is better to be the one beaten or the one with blood on her hands...
Mark Adams, who's always correct, get used to it. (mail) (www):
Meanwhile in this trial-by-fire McCain can't buy any publicity (even if he could afford it) and the Dems are registering voters in astronomical numbers in states that have never experienced a contested primary in generations.
While you're up getting the popcorn, could you bring me back a beer?
Fact is, with all that, McCain cannot top low to mid 40s in the national polls.
Ara, you can deny it all that you like, it doesn’t matter. McCain is beating both of them in the national polls. It's like your worst nightmare coming true. McCain hasn't even started campaigning and he's beating both of 'em? They're both toast before we even get to the general election.
I don't know if it is better to be the one beaten or the one with blood on her hands...
You know what they say: Politics is a full contact sport. It's no place for politically lightweights.
Barack is in serious trouble. He alienated the Regan Democrats in Pennsylvania. You know, all of them fun loving, church going, gun totting working class people? And Hillary didn't do that, he did.
If we knew before Super Tuesday what we now know about Barack, Hillary would have already had the nomination all sewn up.
....and the Dems are registering voters in astronomical numbers in states that have never experienced a contested primary in generations.
Those voters that are registering in record numbers are Republicans crossing over just to mess up your primary. Operation Chaos is just a lot of fun isn't it?
I think I heard that 10% of the Pennsylvania voters were crossover Republicans. Hmmm, Hillary won by 10%?
You know all those years "Bomb, bomb, bomb, McCain" was being tortured by the Vietcong? Maybe that's why he's willing to see American troops slaughtered and the American future squandered in Iraq for "a million years."
Typical Republican. Always into some other guy's pants.
Anyway, it's Republicans who are soooo deeply unpopular. So much so that black liberal is going to be be able to sleep in the Lincoln Bedroom for the next eight years. how cool is that?
Actually, it is my understanding of folks in PA that Repubs crossed over to vote for Obama b/c they think he is the weaker candidate.
Either way, playing in the opposite party's playground is nothing new. Dems do it in Michigan often. I'm not sure if alienating Regan Democrats, who can't take criticism about themselves as being bitter and clannish is necessarily a bad thing. And to completely not acknowledge that a HUGE part of Hillary's ability to get thos Reagan Democrats was the Rev. Wright crap. Willfully sitting back and profiting off of race-baiting, which really is what the Rev. Wright stuff was all about, isn't exactly a noble stance and something that I look for in a leader.
The last debate can hardly be called that. They did not discuss issue and offer points and counter points to each other's stance on them. They simply relived the drama that had played out over the recent weeks regarding Wright and sniper fire and bitter White folks and other bullshit. At least Obama tried to address the Wright issue by addressing the broader issues of race in this country, which was overlooked by people who really don't want to have an honest discussion about the issue because to do so would mean they have to own their shit. Instead, it's easier to characterize him as an extremist or someone who lacks judgement in staying at a that Crazy Church led by that Angry Black Man.
Race baiting and intellectual dishonesty at it's finest.
If you think I am beating around the bus about White guilt, then surely you are beating around the Bush about the impact that race had on White working class voters and that the Rev. Wright debacle stoked their fears of an angry, radical Black man in the White House.
The White folks I know who are voting for Obama are not doing so out of guilt, just as the Black folks that I know who are voting for Clinton are not doing so out of a sense of being beholden to the Clintons for the good ol' days.
Look, their policy positions are not all that different. What makes them different is their approach to getting things done. Listen to a speech by Clinton and count how many times she uses the words "fight" or "fighter". In turn, when you listen to Obama, count how many times he talks about bringing folks together, finding common ground while still holding on to your principles and about shared responsibility and accountability among everyone - voters and policymakers.
In essence, the question is how do you want to get things done? I personally am tired of politics that is about win at any cost and fighting ones way through issues. I'd rather go for a candidate that is willing to find commonality with others and when it doesn't exist, be able to still be congenial with each other instead of beating them down in a "fight".
Mark Adams, who's always correct, get used to it. (mail) (www):
The White folks I know who are voting for Obama are not doing so out of guilt, just as the Black folks that I know who are voting for Clinton are not doing so out of a sense of being beholden to the Clintons for the good ol' days.
However, for whatever it's worth, I do know there are a lot of women who are voting for Hillary strictly because she is a woman, proudly so.
I don't know if they would vote for Condi Rice or Lynn Cheney with the same vigor, but that's what they say about Hillary -- it's about it being time for a woman, period.
" Mr. Obama is befuddled and angry about the national reaction to what are clearly accepted, even commonplace truths in San Francisco and Hyde Park. How could anyone take offense at the observation that people in small-town and rural American are “bitter” and therefore “cling” to their guns and their faith, as well as their xenophobia? Why would anyone raise questions about a public figure who, for only 20 years, attended a church and developed a close personal relationship with its preacher who says AIDS was created by our government as a genocidal tool to be used against people of color, who declared America’s chickens came home to roost on 9/11, and wants God to damn America? Mr. Obama has a weakness among blue-collar working class voters for a reason.
His inspiring rhetoric is a potent tool for energizing college students and previously uninvolved African-American voters. But his appeals are based on two aspirational pledges he is increasingly less credible in making.
Mr. Obama’s call for postpartisanship looks unconvincing, when he is unable to point to a single important instance in his Senate career when he demonstrated bipartisanship. And his repeated calls to remember Dr. Martin Luther King’s “fierce urgency of now” in tackling big issues falls flat as voters discover that he has not provided leadership on any major legislative battle.
Mr. Obama has not been a leader on big causes in Congress. He has been manifestly unwilling to expend his political capital on urgent issues. He has been only an observer, watching the action from a distance, thinking wry and sardonic and cynical thoughts to himself about his colleagues, mildly amused at their too-ing and fro-ing. He has held his energy and talent in reserve for the more important task of advancing his own political career, which means running for president.
But something happened along the way. Voters saw in the Philadelphia debate the responses of a vitamin-deficient Stevenson act-a-like. And in the closing days of the Pennsylvania primary, they saw him alternate between whining about his treatment by Mrs. Clinton and the press, and attacking Sen. John McCain by exaggerating and twisting his words. No one likes a whiner, and his old-style attacks undermine his appeals for postpartisanship. "
The quote from Rove about Obama's bitter comments show his inability, LIKE MOST WHITE FOLKS, to have an honest critique of racial issues in this country because to do so would mean to admit some pretty bitter and ugly truths about themselves and the failings of this country. Hell, even my boss, who is from rural East Texas and is fairly moderate in her politics knows that though Rev. Wright was feiry in how he spoke, what he said was essentially true - that though the U.S. is not to blame for what happened on 9/11 we need to take inventory about our failed foreign policy, support of the Taliban in the early years of its development, and blind acquiesence to what is pretty much state-sanctioned apartheid in Israel helped to stoke the rage that Islamic fundementalist have towards the U.S.
In terms of the bitter comment - White working class and rural voters are clannish and can be bitter. Why is that so hard to see and admit!? Oh, because to do so would mean having to admit your privilege, something that most White folks have a complete inability let alone desire to do. Also, for Rove to admit the bitterness of White working class and rural voters would essentially mean he was showing is very transparent hand in how the Republicans have used race and class to play into the fears of that demographic. Reagan Democrats didn't appear out of nowhere you know.
Whatever...
As far as your other comments, I will take an aspirational leader who at least has a vision to where he wants this country to go than a "fighter" who is so entrenched in the status quo, the pandering to special interests (at least when they help her win), partisan bickering and the legacy of her philandering husband that she wouldn't know change if it came up and bit her on the ass.
I don't understand this re: Karl Rove or any political.
"honest critique of the race and class dynamics".
What possible noteworthy experience does Obama bring to the table that indicates any achievments other than rhetoric and collecting money ? It hasn't been demonstrated in either the Illinois nor the US Senate.
Here's a glimpse of what an honest critique looks like. I wish I could find another politician to quote, but you know, they don't have the balls to let go of their privilege and talk about it and own their own shit...
Short of that, it would be great to hear folks admit and say - we are using race baiting tactics to scare White working class voters into thinking that Obama is a Scary Black Man who doesn't get them. Because essentially, that's what the Rev. Wright debacle did.
Here - I think this gives you an idea of what types of issues are important to him and the legislated that he introduced.
I'm not going to sit here and say he's had a wealth of experience, because he doesn't. Remember, he was a Freshman Senator in a Minority party. It's not like he had a lot o f power. Hillary hasn't had a lot of "noteworthy experience" either.
And again, I'll say for the 1,000th time, I'm willing to take a chance on him b/c I agree with him on policy issues and the framework by which he understands politics and the role of government.
I didn't really need an info-mercial, just looking for your opinion not that of a committee. I suspect you will permit me one link. I'm sure I don't need to explain that I have little interest in the religion aspect of Pastor Mannings talk just the substance that he addresses.
So are you 'grassroots mom' that looked up all those yes and no votes ? Any Congress person can vote. It doesn't mean presidential significance unless there are years of experience. Obama doesn't have that, he's left wing and left wing liberalism in the past 50 years has been a failure for the young black male. Times are running out on left wing liberalism.
And some ppl claim this guy has super kryptonite in his pants.
I think that Pastor Manning is nuts. And not because he believes in personal responsibility and accountability -- I believe in that as well. There are just better and more educated and articulate Black men who speak on that issue - try Bill Cosby, Dr. Alvin Poussaint, or hell Juan Williams.
No, I am not grassroots mom, but I appreciate that she took the time to look all of that up. Ain't teh internets grand?!
And actually, I have given you my opinion, but that wasn't enough - so I gave you some things to read. But, if you are using a nut like Pastor Manning as the arbiter of personal responsibility among Black folks, maybe that isn't your thing. And Obama isn't as "left wing" as folks think he is. He too talks about personal accountability and responsibility and realizes that government can only go so far in providing opportunities for people if they don't hold up their end of the deal.
But then if you haven't taken the time to read his words or listen to his speeches, particularly the one he gave in Selma, Alabama last year at the anniversary of the Freedom Rides. I'd link it, but you seem to be averse to that, so here is an excerpt.
I'm fighting to make sure that our schools are adequately funded all across the country. With the inequities of relying on property taxes and people who are born in wealthy districts getting better schools than folks born in poor districts and that's now how it's supposed to be. That's not the American way. but I'll tell you what -- even as I fight on behalf of more education funding, more equity, I have to also say that , if parents don't turn off the television set when the child comes home from school and make sure they sit down and do their homework and go talk to the teachers and find out how they're doing, and if we don't start instilling a sense in our young children that there is nothing to be ashamed about in educational achievement, I don't know who taught them that reading and writing and conjugating your verbs was something white.
We've got to get over that mentality. That is part of what the Moses generation teaches us, not saying to ourselves we can't do something, but telling ourselves that we can achieve. We can do that. We got power in our hands. Folks are complaining about the quality of our government, I understand there's something to be complaining about. I'm in Washington. I see what's going on. I see those powers and principalities have snuck back in there, that they're writing the energy bills and the drug laws.
We understand that, but I'll tell you what. I also know that, if cousin Pookie would vote, get off the couch and register some folks and go to the polls, we might have a different kind of politics. That's what the Moses generation teaches us. Take off your bedroom slippers. Put on your marching shoes. Go do some politics. Change this country! That's what we need. We have too many children in poverty in this country and everybody should be ashamed, but don't tell me it doesn't have a little to do with the fact that we got too many daddies not acting like daddies. Don’t think that fatherhood ends at conception. I know something about that because my father wasn't around when I was young and I struggled.
Sounds like personal responsibility and accountability to me. Sounds like that government and the people both have an obligation to work to improve OUR condition. And it's a hell of a lot more articulate than some ignorant pastor talking about 44DDs and calling Obama's mother a whore...
Okay, you're off the hook for now, I'll read the rest later.
BTW, Manning didn't call Obama's mother a whore, he called his in-heat father a-whoring after a white woman. Then he said Obama was a Mac Daddy that he pimps white women and black women.
But I digress:
Harold Ford? Loser.
Obama's percent of the vote in OH vs. PA:
60 and older......OH28...PA38
White............OH34...PA38
White men.........OH39...PA44
White women......OH31...PA34
Less than $50K...OH42...PA46
No college......OH40...PA38
College............OH51...PA49
Catholic.........OH36...PA31
Protestant.........OH36...PA53
In the end, Clinton won in OH by 10.5% but only 9.4% in PA -- a state that had even less of Obama's base voters in it: smaller A-A population and not as many young voters (Pennsylvania's seniors accounted for 32 percent of the electorate, compared to 23 percent in Ohio).
In the end, Obama is poised to get the nomination, even after having been hit by multiple cruise missiles -- from Hillary AND Bill, McCain AND the entire GOP machine. After all, the last guy either one of them wants to win is Obama.
He drained her campaign treasury -- and he'll do it again and again and again until she throws in the towel.
Then he'll do it to McCain, too.
The deepest pockets don't always win -- but it sure don't hurt to have em.
It's about identity. People identify themselves as white, black, american indian, asian. They identify themselves as working class or as Harvard class. They identify themselves as gun owners or gun haters. They identify themselves as mail female. They identify themselves as young or old; rich or poor; rural/small town or urban; in business, working for someone else, looking for work, or just plain unemployed. When times get tough, they identify themselves as having fuel for their car, food for their children, a roof over their heads, or some place to get treated in a medical emergency. When times get really tough, they look for the strongest local armed and organized gang to join up with for defense or for loot.
From many years of reading your stuff, I find you amusing. But I also think you are a guy who doesn't really know a lot about life on the street, dealing with unaccustomed situations, or even american political realities.
You sort of remind me of the kind of guy the Turks or their local Kurds would have caught in Turkish Armenia back in April 1915, and casually murdered. Or one of the Jews whom the nazi death squads would have pulled out of your apartment in Minsk in July 1941, driven out to the nearby forest, shot in the back of the head, and dumped into a pre-excavated mass grave. Or in the USSR in the winter of 1937, you would have been the local old bolshevik loudmouth sent out by the GPU or NKVD to one of the Gulag camps around Vorkuta or Kolyma, waiting for someone like Lt Kashketin to take you out in the woods and kill you.
In sort, foolishly expectant victim.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
And all it left her was...broke. And how come she can't raise any money anyway? Sounds to me like, in addition to more delegates and more votes, he's got the market!
You sort of remind me of the kind of guy the Turks or their local Kurds would have caught in Turkish Armenia back in April 1915, and casually murdered.
You know, Arnold, that's exactly what happened to my grandfather. And I think you're an asshole for thinking that's funny.
Or one of the Jews whom the nazi death squads would have pulled out of your apartment in Minsk in July 1941, driven out to the nearby forest, shot in the back of the head, and dumped into a pre-excavated mass grave.
And you would have been the one who pulled the trigger.
IJS.
The only Democrats who aren't going to switch to Obama after he gets the nomination are people who just can't bring themselves vote for a black man. Fortunately, it's a dying breed.
...but folks aren't bitter, right?
You are right, it is about identity. And, I think Obama (your insistence on calling him Barrack Hussein is really ridiculous and somewhat telling...) has tried to point out that we if we work together we can transcend the identity politics that have defined us for generations. That by coming together, we can talk about and work together to find solutions to the problems that face us -- no matter where we fall in terms of our identity.
The last 6 weeks have cut into that perspective greatly. He's had to defend who he is, while Hillary has sat back and played into people's fears and anxieties. She's allowed race baiting and the worst of identity politics to grab a hold of this race to the point where issues hardly matter. It really is disgusting...
Fucking xenophobic coward.
One doesn't have to agree with this man, but he is closer to reality than the pablum Barack is promising. Wake up people.
Pastor Manning on responsibility and accountability.
There's no need. We're not living your or Harris' dystopian nightmare. We're also still interested in trying to keep it from becoming reality. Why don't you guys retire to your armed camps and pray to each other for your judgment day. In your cases, it can't happen soon enough.
I can't think of anyone who thinks that.
Pastor Manning on responsibility and accountability.
What on earth does that have to do with anything...unless you just want people to cringe at the sound of a black pastor preaching fire and brimstone?
Ara,
The issues of which I am concerned aren't Pastor Manning's religion or how he expresses it but how he addresses the social plight of young black Americans. They are in crisis mode, the future is bleak.
The past fifty years of left liberalism has contributed zero except single parent households, a million incarcerated black men, black unemployment, low scale jobs and education issues unless poor education, foods stamps, and unemployment are genuine benefits.
Obama is the left liberal more than any other candidate.
Reagan-Bush-Bush account for 16 years of your 50, Nixon/Ford another 8, and Ike was POTUS 50 years ago. GOP administrations account for just over half of the last 50 years and never once during that period did the Democrats have a veto-proof and seldom a filibuster-proof majority in Congress.
Take a look at the SCOTUS, which barely passed Roe and has been centrist or right-centrist throughout. Hell, Roe v. Wade itself was a split decision that only fell the way it did when Blackmun, appointed by Ike to the appellate bench and Nixon to SCOTUS, wrote the opinion that was joined by Ike appointee Potter Stewart, a Cincinnati Republican of the same machine that gave us Taft, DeWine and Blackwell; and Nixon's Chief Justice Warren Burger, who got the job after LBJ's much more liberal nominee was filibustered by the GOP.
It's true that it's all about identity politics, but the GOP defines itself by whom they are against, which is always the hated liberals who are demonized for everything -- no matter how foolish and deceitful the conservatives are when they try to hang every wrong on their enemy. It's ridiculous, now you folks are trying to blame us for Hitler and the KKK. What. A. Joke.
If not succumbing to fear like a coward, and refusing to buy every lie that comes from the spin machine but challenging the conventional partisan line is what it takes to be a liberal, I'm proud to be one.
Terrible buffer problem on my 'puter today.
It is just so much fun as watching Hillary and Barrack attack each other. They are going to make both of them unelectable. I know that you'll all deny it. But it's true. LOL.
This is better than the Super Bowl for a political junkie like me.
Turns out, Barrack isn't the new Messiah after all. Hillary is going to expose all of his warts we don’t have to do anything. His elitist attitude, his racist minister, blah, blah, blah. Good this is just so darn good! We can just relax and enjoy.
Oh yeah, one last thing. “Operation Chaos” is working like a charm. Rush is a genius.
Don't you think St. John should be ahead by 10-15 points by now? But he's not. He's not because he's like a 1999 Internet stock: great numbers, lousy fundamentals.
Wait til the Dems have their nominee: McCain, like the Internet bubble, will burst.
Riiiiiight. Crack smokers always think that.
Actually, you are half right. Hillary is attacking Obama with both her words and her silence, only adding to her image as a "fighter" who will win at any cost and step on necks, break kneecaps, and stab spines to get there. Hopefully, they won't come out too bloody in the end. Though, I don't know if it is better to be the one beaten or the one with blood on her hands...
You must have forgotten, all liberals are atheists. OTOH, you could just be a moron. Let's go with that.
While you're up getting the popcorn, could you bring me back a beer?
Ara, you can deny it all that you like, it doesn’t matter. McCain is beating both of them in the national polls. It's like your worst nightmare coming true. McCain hasn't even started campaigning and he's beating both of 'em? They're both toast before we even get to the general election.
I don't know if it is better to be the one beaten or the one with blood on her hands...
You know what they say: Politics is a full contact sport. It's no place for politically lightweights.
Barack is in serious trouble. He alienated the Regan Democrats in Pennsylvania. You know, all of them fun loving, church going, gun totting working class people? And Hillary didn't do that, he did.
If we knew before Super Tuesday what we now know about Barack, Hillary would have already had the nomination all sewn up.
Those voters that are registering in record numbers are Republicans crossing over just to mess up your primary. Operation Chaos is just a lot of fun isn't it?
I think I heard that 10% of the Pennsylvania voters were crossover Republicans. Hmmm, Hillary won by 10%?
Naw, it must just be a coincidence.
Cheers!
You know all those years "Bomb, bomb, bomb, McCain" was being tortured by the Vietcong? Maybe that's why he's willing to see American troops slaughtered and the American future squandered in Iraq for "a million years."
McCain is Insane.
There's some full contact for you.
Now, now, you can't start picking on John until you can say something nice about your own canidate....
Oh that's right you don't have one yet. You still don't know if it's going to be Hillary or Barack.
Don't worry we'll help you decide. Heh, Heh, Heh.
....you could just be a moron. Let's go with that.
My, my, my do we have our panties in a bunch?
Typical Republican. Always into some other guy's pants.
Anyway, it's Republicans who are soooo deeply unpopular. So much so that black liberal is going to be be able to sleep in the Lincoln Bedroom for the next eight years. how cool is that?
Either way, playing in the opposite party's playground is nothing new. Dems do it in Michigan often. I'm not sure if alienating Regan Democrats, who can't take criticism about themselves as being bitter and clannish is necessarily a bad thing. And to completely not acknowledge that a HUGE part of Hillary's ability to get thos Reagan Democrats was the Rev. Wright crap. Willfully sitting back and profiting off of race-baiting, which really is what the Rev. Wright stuff was all about, isn't exactly a noble stance and something that I look for in a leader.
The repubs crossed over and voted HC.
Rush did it.
That of course was the TV talking heads fault for asking those unfair questions.
And this guy is a graduate of Harvard Law School.
The last debate can hardly be called that. They did not discuss issue and offer points and counter points to each other's stance on them. They simply relived the drama that had played out over the recent weeks regarding Wright and sniper fire and bitter White folks and other bullshit. At least Obama tried to address the Wright issue by addressing the broader issues of race in this country, which was overlooked by people who really don't want to have an honest discussion about the issue because to do so would mean they have to own their shit. Instead, it's easier to characterize him as an extremist or someone who lacks judgement in staying at a that Crazy Church led by that Angry Black Man.
Race baiting and intellectual dishonesty at it's finest.
Don't beat around the bush.
It's called white guilt.
Obama is a Princeton and Harvard graduate and he's blaming the talking heads and Hillary for his poor showing.
Pffft, he beat the spread by half. You're completely full of shit.
If you think I am beating around the bus about White guilt, then surely you are beating around the Bush about the impact that race had on White working class voters and that the Rev. Wright debacle stoked their fears of an angry, radical Black man in the White House.
The White folks I know who are voting for Obama are not doing so out of guilt, just as the Black folks that I know who are voting for Clinton are not doing so out of a sense of being beholden to the Clintons for the good ol' days.
Look, their policy positions are not all that different. What makes them different is their approach to getting things done. Listen to a speech by Clinton and count how many times she uses the words "fight" or "fighter". In turn, when you listen to Obama, count how many times he talks about bringing folks together, finding common ground while still holding on to your principles and about shared responsibility and accountability among everyone - voters and policymakers.
In essence, the question is how do you want to get things done? I personally am tired of politics that is about win at any cost and fighting ones way through issues. I'd rather go for a candidate that is willing to find commonality with others and when it doesn't exist, be able to still be congenial with each other instead of beating them down in a "fight".
However, for whatever it's worth, I do know there are a lot of women who are voting for Hillary strictly because she is a woman, proudly so.
I don't know if they would vote for Condi Rice or Lynn Cheney with the same vigor, but that's what they say about Hillary -- it's about it being time for a woman, period.
" Mr. Obama is befuddled and angry about the national reaction to what are clearly accepted, even commonplace truths in San Francisco and Hyde Park. How could anyone take offense at the observation that people in small-town and rural American are “bitter” and therefore “cling” to their guns and their faith, as well as their xenophobia? Why would anyone raise questions about a public figure who, for only 20 years, attended a church and developed a close personal relationship with its preacher who says AIDS was created by our government as a genocidal tool to be used against people of color, who declared America’s chickens came home to roost on 9/11, and wants God to damn America? Mr. Obama has a weakness among blue-collar working class voters for a reason.
His inspiring rhetoric is a potent tool for energizing college students and previously uninvolved African-American voters. But his appeals are based on two aspirational pledges he is increasingly less credible in making.
Mr. Obama’s call for postpartisanship looks unconvincing, when he is unable to point to a single important instance in his Senate career when he demonstrated bipartisanship. And his repeated calls to remember Dr. Martin Luther King’s “fierce urgency of now” in tackling big issues falls flat as voters discover that he has not provided leadership on any major legislative battle.
Mr. Obama has not been a leader on big causes in Congress. He has been manifestly unwilling to expend his political capital on urgent issues. He has been only an observer, watching the action from a distance, thinking wry and sardonic and cynical thoughts to himself about his colleagues, mildly amused at their too-ing and fro-ing. He has held his energy and talent in reserve for the more important task of advancing his own political career, which means running for president.
But something happened along the way. Voters saw in the Philadelphia debate the responses of a vitamin-deficient Stevenson act-a-like. And in the closing days of the Pennsylvania primary, they saw him alternate between whining about his treatment by Mrs. Clinton and the press, and attacking Sen. John McCain by exaggerating and twisting his words. No one likes a whiner, and his old-style attacks undermine his appeals for postpartisanship. "
h/t HotAir
God Bless Karl Rove
sillie, sillie peeps.
watch this and this.
the superdels will go with whoever can eat mccains lunch the best.
looks like O to me.
'Sides, the rightsiders (like arnold) are allus tryin to push HRC on us.
therefore O must be The One. ;)
Obama is teh kryptonite for the GOP.
The quote from Rove about Obama's bitter comments show his inability, LIKE MOST WHITE FOLKS, to have an honest critique of racial issues in this country because to do so would mean to admit some pretty bitter and ugly truths about themselves and the failings of this country. Hell, even my boss, who is from rural East Texas and is fairly moderate in her politics knows that though Rev. Wright was feiry in how he spoke, what he said was essentially true - that though the U.S. is not to blame for what happened on 9/11 we need to take inventory about our failed foreign policy, support of the Taliban in the early years of its development, and blind acquiesence to what is pretty much state-sanctioned apartheid in Israel helped to stoke the rage that Islamic fundementalist have towards the U.S.
In terms of the bitter comment - White working class and rural voters are clannish and can be bitter. Why is that so hard to see and admit!? Oh, because to do so would mean having to admit your privilege, something that most White folks have a complete inability let alone desire to do. Also, for Rove to admit the bitterness of White working class and rural voters would essentially mean he was showing is very transparent hand in how the Republicans have used race and class to play into the fears of that demographic. Reagan Democrats didn't appear out of nowhere you know.
Whatever...
As far as your other comments, I will take an aspirational leader who at least has a vision to where he wants this country to go than a "fighter" who is so entrenched in the status quo, the pandering to special interests (at least when they help her win), partisan bickering and the legacy of her philandering husband that she wouldn't know change if it came up and bit her on the ass.
Obama's jest kryptic.
Now how did we know you would bite the Karl Rove worm ?
TQ,
Wow, I used that for years as for test question icon in notebooks.
Anyhow, Rove was just analyzing not offering up a sociology class.
...but then, maybe that is all that Republicans and Reagan Democrats need to give a head nod to whatever he says.
Maybe you did bite the Rove worm.
So what does this mean:
"refusing to even attempt to have an honest critique of the race and class dynamics at play show how weak his analysis is ?"
You said that he's just offering an analysis, not a sociology class. I'm saying that his analysis is weak...
What don't you understand?
TQL,
I don't understand this re: Karl Rove or any political.
"honest critique of the race and class dynamics".
What possible noteworthy experience does Obama bring to the table that indicates any achievments other than rhetoric and collecting money ? It hasn't been demonstrated in either the Illinois nor the US Senate.
Here's a glimpse of what an honest critique looks like. I wish I could find another politician to quote, but you know, they don't have the balls to let go of their privilege and talk about it and own their own shit...
Short of that, it would be great to hear folks admit and say - we are using race baiting tactics to scare White working class voters into thinking that Obama is a Scary Black Man who doesn't get them. Because essentially, that's what the Rev. Wright debacle did.
Here - I think this gives you an idea of what types of issues are important to him and the legislated that he introduced.
I'm not going to sit here and say he's had a wealth of experience, because he doesn't. Remember, he was a Freshman Senator in a Minority party. It's not like he had a lot o f power. Hillary hasn't had a lot of "noteworthy experience" either.
And again, I'll say for the 1,000th time, I'm willing to take a chance on him b/c I agree with him on policy issues and the framework by which he understands politics and the role of government.
So are you 'grassroots mom' that looked up all those yes and no votes ? Any Congress person can vote. It doesn't mean presidential significance unless there are years of experience. Obama doesn't have that, he's left wing and left wing liberalism in the past 50 years has been a failure for the young black male. Times are running out on left wing liberalism.
And some ppl claim this guy has super kryptonite in his pants.
No, I am not grassroots mom, but I appreciate that she took the time to look all of that up. Ain't teh internets grand?!
And actually, I have given you my opinion, but that wasn't enough - so I gave you some things to read. But, if you are using a nut like Pastor Manning as the arbiter of personal responsibility among Black folks, maybe that isn't your thing. And Obama isn't as "left wing" as folks think he is. He too talks about personal accountability and responsibility and realizes that government can only go so far in providing opportunities for people if they don't hold up their end of the deal.
But then if you haven't taken the time to read his words or listen to his speeches, particularly the one he gave in Selma, Alabama last year at the anniversary of the Freedom Rides. I'd link it, but you seem to be averse to that, so here is an excerpt.
I'm fighting to make sure that our schools are adequately funded all across the country. With the inequities of relying on property taxes and people who are born in wealthy districts getting better schools than folks born in poor districts and that's now how it's supposed to be. That's not the American way. but I'll tell you what -- even as I fight on behalf of more education funding, more equity, I have to also say that , if parents don't turn off the television set when the child comes home from school and make sure they sit down and do their homework and go talk to the teachers and find out how they're doing, and if we don't start instilling a sense in our young children that there is nothing to be ashamed about in educational achievement, I don't know who taught them that reading and writing and conjugating your verbs was something white.
We've got to get over that mentality. That is part of what the Moses generation teaches us, not saying to ourselves we can't do something, but telling ourselves that we can achieve. We can do that. We got power in our hands. Folks are complaining about the quality of our government, I understand there's something to be complaining about. I'm in Washington. I see what's going on. I see those powers and principalities have snuck back in there, that they're writing the energy bills and the drug laws.
We understand that, but I'll tell you what. I also know that, if cousin Pookie would vote, get off the couch and register some folks and go to the polls, we might have a different kind of politics. That's what the Moses generation teaches us. Take off your bedroom slippers. Put on your marching shoes. Go do some politics. Change this country! That's what we need. We have too many children in poverty in this country and everybody should be ashamed, but don't tell me it doesn't have a little to do with the fact that we got too many daddies not acting like daddies. Don’t think that fatherhood ends at conception. I know something about that because my father wasn't around when I was young and I struggled.
Sounds like personal responsibility and accountability to me. Sounds like that government and the people both have an obligation to work to improve OUR condition. And it's a hell of a lot more articulate than some ignorant pastor talking about 44DDs and calling Obama's mother a whore...
BTW, Manning didn't call Obama's mother a whore, he called his in-heat father a-whoring after a white woman. Then he said Obama was a Mac Daddy that he pimps white women and black women.
Isn't politics and religion great ?
Have a nice day today and tomorrow.